In the seven JLA core members, who is the best fighter.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
We can also take into account when an Imperiex probe rather easily took out flash, and Doomsday took out flash.

Flash could have frozen DD and the Imperiux probe. Or he could have IMPed them.

Besides Flash didn't have access to the Speedforce when Doomsday came around.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
When Superman reheated the earth from across the solar system, he flew out there pretty quick. Flash wasn't doing anything but hoping along with the rest of mankind that Supes came up with something.

Yes, while Green Lantern could have done the same damn thing (Read GL: Recharge we see him giving LIFE to a planet) but noooo he was on the Watchtower just dwiddling his thumbs.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Superman doesn't have to be as fast as the Flash, he's fast enough to react or contemplate strategies of his own, and he's fast enough to IMP with a much, much, much stronger base strength to begin with as well.

That's the thing, he won't be fast or perceptive enough to track the Flash. He'll be blur to him. A full-potential Flash will be moving at a speed that makes light seem like snail. Superman can't react or move that fast. Much less HIT him anyway.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Most of this is Moot at current anyway since the speedforce is "gone."

Can't be anyway. Without the Speed Force, that means kinetic energy is "dead". Luthor probably cut it off or something.

Originally posted by Draco69
Flash could have frozen DD and the Imperiux probe. Or he could have IMPed them.

Besides Flash didn't have access to the Speedforce when Doomsday came around.

They are all fast enough to IMP, and they all start off much stronger than Flash does. Let's not forget they are even bigger plot devices than Flash himself could be, so I'm even doubting that he could have frozen either one. He was owned for a reason.

Originally posted by Draco69
Yes, while Green Lantern could have done the same damn thing (Read GL: Recharge we see him giving LIFE to a planet) but noooo he was on the Watchtower just dwiddling his thumbs.

and thats the reason why both GL and Supes are above Flash on my list.

You're right about GL on the watchtower though...

Gl "The World is Freezing Fast. I hope you can pull a rabbit out of your hat before we're watching a ball of ice..."

Supes " Just stay put John, I'll handle it"

Originally posted by Draco69
That's the thing, he won't be fast or perceptive enough to track the Flash. He'll be blur to him. A full-potential Flash will be moving at a speed that makes light seem like snail. Superman can't react or move that fast. Much less HIT him anyway..

Superman has seen and heard things across the galaxy/universe from earth, something scientifically impossible. He could very well keep up well enough to at least get off planet and do what he has to do.

Originally posted by Draco69
Can't be anyway. Without the Speed Force, that means kinetic energy is "dead". Luthor probably cut it off or something.

We'll see about that one... DC's done a great job.

YOU CANT HIT WHAT YOU CANT CATCH AND NOBODY, I MEAN "NOBODY" CAN DO ANYTHING TO THE FLASH IF THEY CANT CATCH HIM, SEE HIM, OR EVEN IMAGINE WHERE HE IS

You give batman super powers he will kick everybody ass in h2h combat hands down. Even wonder woman would get schooled in h2h besides deathstroke, black panther, captan america and a few others that can think during battle and planning your down fall at the same time.

BATMAN DOESNT EVEN BELONG IN THE JLA...HE HAS NO POWER WHAT SO EVER...FOR GOD'S SAKE HE IS THE POLICE

Originally posted by OMNIKINETIC
BATMAN DOESNT EVEN BELONG IN THE JLA...HE HAS NO POWER WHAT SO EVER...FOR GOD'S SAKE HE IS THE POLICE

Batman has the greatest power of all. His brain. Thats the muscle that counts. Thats why hes able to do what he does. Thats why hes where hes at. Anhd he belongs on the JLA. I bet the JLA is glad Batmans on their side rather than with the villains, ill tell you that.

Originally posted by the Darkone
You give batman super powers he will kick everybody ass in h2h combat hands down. Even wonder woman would get schooled in h2h besides deathstroke, black panther, captan america and a few others that can think during battle and planning your down fall at the same time.

Agreed, if martial prowess means anything, it means using your physical abilities to the best effect. Batman is the KING in that regard.

.....Karate Kid is the King in that regard.....

I have to agree with Dracos list, seems correct to me.

karate kid wont be match for batman

🤨 Im talking DC karate Kid....who took on Mon-el basically a superman type.....KK knows martial arts on a Universal scale, compared to batmans world scale.....

Originally posted by the Darkone
You give batman super powers he will kick everybody ass in h2h combat hands down. Even wonder woman would get schooled in h2h besides deathstroke, black panther, captan america and a few others that can think during battle and planning your down fall at the same time.

Batman is below WW in skill. For heaven's sake it's simple math:

Millenia of training and experience> fifteen years of training.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
🤨 Im talking DC karate Kid....who took on Mon-el basically a superman type.....KK knows martial arts on a Universal scale, compared to batmans world scale.....

Sorry I thought you meant the movie KK 😄

Originally posted by Draco69
Batman is below WW in skill. For heaven's sake it's simple math:

Millenia of training and experience> fifteen years of training.

The law of diminishing returns probably sets in at about 5 years. By the time you hit ten, the slope of the graph is probably rapidly approaching zero.

Lebron James has been in the league less than 3 years. He's still a far more skilled player than many guys who've been in the league a decade or more.

Skill is a function of experience and intelligence. WW has plenty of the former, but not enough of the latter. How often does WW beat up someone vastly superior to her in physical abilities? Batman, in contrast, always knows exactly how he should be fighting an enemy. He might not be able to twirl as many weapons as WW, but that's irrelevant in a fight.

Batman would kick her ass, let's be real. Batman is your thinking man fihgter, he would set up diana for an ass kicking. Like I said give Batman powers he would kick everybodies ass, know orion that would be a great fight worth paying $50.00 pay-per-view.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Batman would kick her ass, let's be real. Batman is your thinking man fihgter, he would set up diana for an ass kicking. Like I said give Batman powers he would kick everybodies ass, know orion that would be a great fight worth paying $50.00 pay-per-view.

Your rampant ghetto-enthused sexism amuses me....

Let's do remedial (if you aren't already in it....)

Training:

Batman: Fifteen years of training with the best.

Wonder Woman: Several millenia with the best of the best including gods themselves.

Experience:

Batman: 15 to 20 subtracting training and childhood.

Diana: Several more millenia fighting wars, gods, and traveling dimensions.

Martial arts repetoire:

Batman: supposedly mastered all 127 martial arts.

Wonder Woman: supposedly mastered all 127 martial arts INCLUDING ancient forgotten arts as well as alien arts like Titanese and Kryptonian.

Simple math. Let's try to get at least a D this time. 😬

Wonder Woman.

Batman, I will be more of afraid of batman turning evil instead of Wonder Woman.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Batman, I will be more of afraid of batman turning evil instead of Wonder Woman.

Of course you would. Instead of arresting you he would just kill you painfully.... 😉

Diana would be more merciful and just break your neck....waitaminute.

"Batman, I will be more of afraid of batman turning evil instead of Wonder Woman"

A Woman turning evil its not to mess about. I could kick Batman in the lowies at least. Against a Woman you lose that tactic.

Run. Just run!

Originally posted by aquafan
superman
batman
aquaman
wonder woman
green lantern
martian manhunter or
the flash

Which one of these would win most fights against each other, all weapons and powers are allowed

if all powers are allowed does she get that wave everyone keeps talking about?