You've not answered this Whirly:
"Could you realistically argue against a million Britney Spears fans, if they said she was better in many ways, than The Beatles? Yes or no?"
Please do so. I'm asking you civilly.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Really AC you didn't 🙁 you used opinion 🙁 I think you are confused that opinion and fact are not the same.
I know. A thousand opinions will never equal fact, so why are you claiming that you and Google have somehow over-ridden my opinion? It doesn't matter how many opinions you hijack from the net, you'll never have it factually nailed down. Moreover, you haven't responded to that post. If you wish to continue this debate, do so.
I'm the one BEING subjective, so why you're claiming I can't be is quite the puzzling issue.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm the one BEING subjective, so why you're claiming I can't be is quite the puzzling issue.-AC
You are entitled to your opinion but don't try to claim it's supported by anything except your own words. I'm glad to see you're not letting your education get in the way of your ignorance 😉
Originally posted by Captain Kirk
You are entitled to your opinion but don't try to claim it's supported by anything except your own words. I'm glad to see you're not letting your education get in the way of your ignorance 😉
Impressive Kirk and you're copying my trademark use of smileys.......... cool 😐
Reply to my long post (where I provided these ideas and evidence. You skipped over it and are now making excuses not to reply) and/or answer this question:
Could you realistically argue against a million Britney Spears fans, if they said she was better in many ways, than The Beatles? Yes or no?
What's wrong? It's just a question, not gonna bite.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Reply to my long post (where I provided these ideas and evidence. You skipped over it and are now making excuses not to reply)
AC I replied to it but you obviously didn't like the answer look back. All you did was say" I disagree blah, blah, blah" you didn't refute anything. You sometimes post in a way that makes slugs and other invertebrates look like Nobel Prize winners.
You really like Britney huh? 😉
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
AC I replied to it but you obviously didn't like the answer look back. All you did was say" I disagree blah, blah, blah" you didn't refute anything. You sometimes post in a way that makes slugs and other invertebrates look like Nobel Prize winners.
Getting very tired of your constant attempts and insisting false claims:
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It was hypocricy wasn't it? You go around saying how music itself is subjective only to quote "experts" matter of factly. This shortlist, despite being a copy and paste job, is quite bullshit. Allow me:So they were the next big thing, who cares? We're arguing influence, not popularity.
Being the first is different to being the most influential. That said, every band that came with the British Invasion (Deep Purple etc) were better.
Again, being the latest flavour doesn't meant you've innovated music. We're arguing influence and innovation, not popularity. Come on dude, do better.
Speaking on current issues? It was done before The Beatles and it was done after. Them being the flavour of the time is what made people pay attention, not their talent. Green Day made a lot of kids into anti-bush followers due to their overwhelming popularity. It doesn't mean nobody before hadn't done it.
So they spoke about spiritual things and real world issues in their songs, so what? Again, nothing that hadn't been done before. Their POPULARITY just made it noticeable.
None of them were technically great musicians.
Yeah, they were the first boyband. Is that what we have to thank them for? Nice. What great standards they set.
Yeah, then one of them famously got outbid for his own music by Michael Jackson. Great control there.
Again and again, someone inspired The Beatles to pick up guitars and play them. When are you going to prove they were massively innovative and influential? You're not doing so.
Claiming that they're innovative for writing their own songs? Hahahahaha. Too funny, go on.
Hahaha, no seriously, continue. Waiting to see how innovative and influential they are...
They established that you should do it yourself? A) They didn't and B) Big deal. That's a fact and it was a fact before The Beatles.
They opened the doors for bands to be overly pretentious and uncharacteristically wanky? Good job.
Music video is irrelevant, it has nothing to do with music itself. We're discussing MUSIC innovation and influence (well, I am. You're just showing how popular they were and what they did).
So? So what? Where's the overwhelming evidence that they influenced the most people ever and innovated more than FNM?
You're claiming they pioneered working in a studio? So what? WHERE is the proof that they are so much more innovative and influential than FNM? What are these pioneering techniques you love to cite by never detail? You can't just make claims and hope I'll go away. Come on, start spilling.
Also, wait. Lennon SUGGESTS that someone else does something innovative (George) because they can't do it themselves? What happened to "Do It Yourself" music? You know, the one thing you claim they pioneered? 99% of the "innovating" that "they" did wasn't even them, it was George.
All you managed to prove was that they did some stuff and made themselves extremely huge and popular.
I'll await the next essay on how they're more influential and innovative than bands like FNM and Radiohead.
-AC
Reply to all of that, or stop saying I've refuted nothing. Your answer was "Blah blah clutching at straws". That was your answer and rebuttal. You're just saying "Refuted nothing" so you don't have to actually reply to it.
Secondly, I want a clear yes or not for this:
Could you realistically argue against a million Britney Spears fans, if they said she was better in many ways, than The Beatles? Yes or no?
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
You really like Britney huh? 😉
No, just exposing your hypocricy and it's funny how badly you're running scared.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm asking him if he believes a thousand people saying "Britney is better" would override his view of "The Beatles are better."-AC
I'm not running scared 😂 it's a forum, I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone saying Britney innovated like the Beatles. Do you think she did? You think Faith no more did, this is no less bizarre. I think your IQ is at room temperature tonight AC you're obsessed with Britney being better than the Beatles.
I guess she's your next pick 😆
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I'm not running scared 😂 it's a forum, I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone saying Britney innovated like the Beatles. Do you think she did? You think Faith no more did, this is no less bizarre. I think your IQ is at room temperature tonight AC you're obsessed with Britney being better than the Beatles.I guess she's your next pick 😆
Why are you excreting a building block? Stop dodging my question and twisting my words, man.
I'm not saying she's better, am I? I'm asking you this question:
Do you believe that a thousand Britney fans having the opinion of "She's better" would override your single opinion of "She's not"?
Yes or no? Simple. One word answer is necessary.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why are you excreting a building block? Stop dodging my question and twisting my words, man.
Why am I what? I don't think that's anatomically possible AC - twisting your words 😂 ironic
I answered you again - get with the programme, look have you still got your etch a sketch, it might help if I used visual aids 😂. If you're going say something that stupid you could at least fake a stroke matey.
Funniest thing you ask for rebuttal on "being the first is not the same as being most innovative" 😂 - Where do I start when you want replies to stuff like that.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Why am I what? I don't think that's anatomically possible AC - twisting your words 😂 ironicI answered you again - get with the programme, look have you still got your etch a sketch, it might help if I used visual aids 😂. If you're going say something that stupid you could at least fake a stroke matey.
Funniest thing you ask for rebbutall on "being the first is not the same as being most inovative" 😂 :Rollin - Where do I start when you want replies to stuff like that.
Sorry, basically I asked why you were shitting a brick. I'll dumb them down for you next time.
So your answer is...I'm guessing, no? They do not override your opinion just because there is many of them? Is that your answer? Final answer?
Instead of trying the old "Hahaha look at this, how am I supposed to reply?" schtick, try ACTUALLY replying instead of using a barrage of failed attempts at humourous insults and simultaneously hiding behind smileys. Might be a good start. Though I think we've established that you're done. All I'm waiting for now is the confirmation above then I'll be on my way.
-AC