Originally posted by Faunus
This could actually go either way.In Traya's case, I didn't get the impression that the Jedi Masters were ready at all. One moment, they're preparing to punish the Exile, the next, there's a Dark Lady sucking the Force from them. This doesn't mean that the end result may necessarily have been different had they been prepared, but it's something to consider.
Well the end result likely wouldn't have been different because the technique has no defence against it.
What about the idea that it has some sort of defense? Just because Kreia didn't know of it doesn't mean that it for sure didn't exist. Also note that Jacen during Traitor(weak at this point) survived losing the force. Also note that if there really was no defence from it, why was every DLOS pwned five minutes after being crowned?
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
What about the idea that it has some sort of defense? Just because Kreia didn't know of it doesn't mean that it for sure didn't exist. Also note that Jacen during Traitor(weak at this point) survived losing the force. Also note that if there really was no defence from it, why was every DLOS pwned five minutes after being crowned?
There seems to be defence against "getting stripped from the force" since Odan Urr tried to use exactly this against Exar Kun and Exar didn't care about it but killed Odan instead. So there is a defence and there is even the possibility that Jedi would know about it.
But still...the 3 Masters here ? Kreia talked to them and talked to them and they did nothing...just to get pwned with one handmovement from Kreia. If they knew some defence they'd better used it. But even this doesn't matter since Revan has never displayed a power similar to Kreia's.
Back to the topic: I think the Jedi would win here. Kavar thought himself to be able to kill Malak since he went and tried it and although he "barely escaped alive" we don't know the circumstances of this fight but it's possible that Kavar cut Malak's jaw off (since it's stated that it was done by a Jedi). Well...at least Kavar thought he could deal with Malak so he can't be leagues away from him. So you have somebody that is close to Malak, Vrook who has possibly experienced Exar Kun and Ulic Quel-Droma alive (judging by his age) and seems to be quite powerful and Zez-Kai, who appears to be a little bit weak (telling the Exile that the Exile is the better Jedi) but I guess he still knows to handle his lightsaber.
So...unless Revan pulls a Kreia I don't see him winning this. One by one he would take them for sure but all at once...I don't think so.
Being stripped from the force and having the force removed from your body are two different things.
Glentract there could very well be no defense against that technique becuase only Nihilus and the Exile really controlled it, those two created the technique. If Kreia was able to do it on her own later on she would still have learned it through Nihilus and the Exile. This is made very clear in Kotor II. The very existance of those two is strange and never heard of before or again, to think there would be a defense for a technique that couldn't even really exist and has never existed before is just strange. Not like it matters, Revan wouldn't even know the technique, maybe know off it, but he could never have learned it.
Nai, Kavar challenging Malak means nothing really we know he wasn't able to win in what is very likely a fair fight or a fight in favour of Kavar, and its also very unlikely that Kavar cut of Malak his jaw, if anybody it would have been Revan that cut of Malak his jaw. Remember Revan was still a Jedi until he returned at the head of an invasion fleet and became the Dark Lord of the Sith.
Being stripped from the force and having the force removed from your body are two different things.
Actually, in Ulic's case he still had the force, he was just barred from feeling it properly. But in the case of what Traya, the Exile, and Nihilus does is literally rip the Force from one's body. And since the force is tied to life, they die. Simple.
Glentract there could very well be no defense against that technique becuase only Nihilus and the Exile really controlled it, those two created the technique.
Actually, this is debatable. While it's evident that Nihilus mastered the technique due to his unusual nature, there is no instance of him creating it. If anything, Kreia calls it an ancient Sith technique, that he is in personification, the pinnacle of.
If Kreia was able to do it on her own later on she would still have learned it through Nihilus and the Exile. This is made very clear in Kotor II
No, it isn't made clear in KOTOR II cuz you're wrong. Kreia never says she learned the technique through either of them. Indeed, the Exile is confused when he/she first uses it whereas Kreia is guiding them through the proper use of it.
Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
Actually, in Ulic's case he still had the force, he was just barred from feeling it properly. But in the case of what Traya, the Exile, and Nihilus does is literally rip the Force from one's body. And since the force is tied to life, they die. Simple.
Thats what I said...
Actually, this is debatable. While it's evident that Nihilus mastered the technique due to his unusual nature, there is no instance of him creating it. If anything, Kreia calls it an ancient Sith technique, that he is in personification, the pinnacle of.
When has she ever described it as an ancient technique anybody ever used before? Even if she did, nobody could have used it like Nihilus if so then surely they would be dead.
No, it isn't made clear in KOTOR II cuz you're wrong. Kreia never says she learned the technique through either of them. Indeed, the Exile is confused when he/she first uses it whereas Kreia is guiding them through the proper use of it.
Yes, but like with the assassins and Sion they draw the force from people around them just like Nihilus and the Exile do, they can do this however because Nihilus drained them "They use the technique to fill the hollow places where the force used to be"
Kreia also says the technique can not be learned in anyway shape or form. So it had to be a gift of some sort that somehow she got control off. Now its possible she could do it her entire life for some strange reason when others could not. Which is strange because the Jedi Council said that they had never felt anything even like the Exile before. Ever. And they knew Kreia. However its far more likely that whatever created Nihilus and the Exile, two anomoly's above believe also created this with her, or that Nihilus created this very thing in her. As he did drain the force from her (but let her live) in the cut scene were she is knocked out.