Originally posted by leonidas
maybe. maybe even probable. but . . . proof?
Strange stated that a team including himself, surfer, brb, and the infinity watch had no chance against thor boosted by the power gem; he was subsequently proven correct when thor 1-shotted every member of the team, including warlock and strange SIMULTANEOUSLY.
Thanos used the power gem to kill an elder of the universe in an instant.
Odin stated that thor with the power gem would destroy asgard and the nine worlds, including himself. And decided that his own son should be DESTROYED to prevent that from happening.
You think an asgardian trinket compares to an artifact of INFINITE power that predates the universe? You think Odin would be frightened of an artifact even CLOSE to as weak as the belt of strength?
The belt of strength grants 2x strength. The uni-power grants 50x. The power gem grants INFINITE strength. They don't say 2x; they don't say 50x; they say INFINITE.
Thanos was beating thor with the power gem AND warrior madness. He KILLS thor with the belt of strength, just as he has on every other occasion they've fought.
Originally posted by leonidas
<<Drax the destroyer was like 20 times more powerful then Professor Hulk>>😆
you sound like slade arbitrarily quantifying strength levels. 20x stronger than prof, eh? didn't look like it in their fight . . . prof took the whole thing as a joke as well. what possible proof can you offer to back up the idea that drax is 20x stronger than hulk??
this forum just gets crzier and crazier. can someone with sense PLEASE crime in!!
crazy
How are my opinions "arbitrary"? You have an opinion just as I do. (power gem ~ 2x stregnth) The difference is my opinion squares with marvel's. Yours is just your own.
Power gem users have high showings and low showings. The low showings almost invariably involve:
1. Losing the gem
2. A being of low intelligence
3. A being who otherwise is unfamiliar with magical/cosmic artifacts, e.g. titania
Note that 3 is very different from saying the power gem is hard to tap, or requires experience. Thanos and thor both tapped the power gem immediately because they are familiar with powerful artifcats.
A gun is not hard to use for anyone familiar with firearms. But if you took a gun back to the middle ages, people would be befuddled.
Originally posted by slade10
Strange stated that a team including himself, surfer, brb, and the infinity watch had no chance against thor boosted by the power gem; he was subsequently proven correct when thor 1-shotted every member of the team, including warlock and strange SIMULTANEOUSLY.Thanos used the power gem to kill an elder of the universe in an instant.
Odin stated that thor with the power gem would destroy asgard and the nine worlds, including himself. And decided that his own son should be DESTROYED to prevent that from happening.
You think an asgardian trinket compares to an artifact of INFINITE power that predates the universe? You think Odin would be frightened of an artifact even CLOSE to as weak as the belt of strength?
The belt of strength grants 2x strength. The uni-power grants 50x. The power gem grants INFINITE strength. They don't say 2x; they don't say 50x; they say INFINITE.
Thanos was beating thor with the power gem AND warrior madness. He KILLS thor with the belt of strength, just as he has on every other occasion they've fought.
you crack me up. you're now saying that 100x isn't arbitrary, eh, that your little calculations are what, 'scientific'?? 😂 and that it is in line with 'marvel's' what, opinion of how strong thanos is? oh, yah, i'm sure any editor would say that thanos is 100x thor's strength. you're little comparison earlier about thanos v the jla was genius when he was also about equal to darkseid in that whole thing. darkseid, whom supes beat down. and superman and thor are about equal. so let me guess, now thanos is what, 100x as strong as superman too, right?! and darkseid obviously.
infinite power, blah blah blah. scales of infinity. adam's gem is an infinity gem and he cannot even AFFECT galactus! but, he's experienced? he's even had them all! and it's . . . infinite. moondragon and thanos were tossed out of g's mind on their asses -- but she had the mind gem. it's infinite, isn't it? and she's experienced. she's not insane. she's not stupid. then how--? oh yah -- the gems are overrated. always an excuse for it's user -- stupid, inexperienced, insane . . . whatever. no one has used the individual gems to do jack. the avengers beat the watch, as have many others. maybe it IS powerful. no feats (aside from the drax/champ) back it up.
and what the HELL are you talking about with odin wanting to kill thor? odin wanted to destroy thor because he feared the madness he had would spread to other asgardians! you know, like mad cow. had NOTHING to do with his 'fear' of the gem. ridiculous.
and what elder did he kill with the gem? in quest he used the gems he took to kill the elders. space to deal with runner. time to deal with gardner. etc . . .
as for this:
<<Double strength thor is still quite inferior to Thanos who has dealt already with the 2 powergem wielder and taking the fight to them making them look like idiots with shiny jellybeans in their forehead.>>
that indictment hardly paints a good picture of the gems' 'infinite' powers . . .
to recap -- thanos is obviously still 100x (at least) stronger than thor, superman and darkseid. guess he could destroy all 3 simultaneously in a fist fight then.
the gem can potentially make someone stronger (give them 'infinite' strength'😉 than the belt, but only if they are not stupid, insane or have had a lot of time to get used to it, or are used to artifacts already. that about right?
odin did not 'fear' the gem, he feared the spread of madness.
lastly, in thor #25, thanos had captured the stone of illumination and was granted 'all-power' -- power odin actually DID fear. thanos effortlessly destroyed a world with it. his own power was augmented TREMENDOUSLY! let's call it . . . 1000x?
anyway, thor fought and DEFEATED him with a shield, an increased-in-power hammer and his belt. he stood for a prolonged length of time toe-to-toe with an augmented thanos trading punch for punch after his shield was destroyed and finally ko'd his arse. the belt amped him enough to stand h2h with an AUGMENTED thanos. thor never even used power from his hammer -- he fought 'blow for blow as warriors should'.
by your reasoning, this thor should have been obliterated by even regular thanos! this was later retconned to a clone, but his clones are the exact same as he is, so it doesn' matter much.
100x stronger?? ZERO chance. in their one meeting where thor had it and thanos was amped, thor beat him UNCONSCIOUS PHYSICALLY.
oh yah, thanos would KILL him . . . 🙄
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How are my opinions "arbitrary"? You have an opinion just as I do. (power gem ~ 2x stregnth) The difference is my opinion squares with marvel's. Yours is just your own.Power gem users have high showings and low showings. The low showings almost invariably involve:
1. Losing the gem
2. A being of low intelligence
3. A being who otherwise is unfamiliar with magical/cosmic artifacts, e.g. titaniaNote that 3 is very different from saying the power gem is hard to tap, or requires experience. Thanos and thor both tapped the power gem immediately because they are familiar with powerful artifcats.
A gun is not hard to use for anyone familiar with firearms. But if you took a gun back to the middle ages, people would be befuddled.
The Magus once created a clone of Thanos and imbued it with even greater power than Thanos, but Thanos was able to destroy it in battle.
Thanos has faced CL100s in pairs. Thing and THor Drax and Hulk and has been able to best or hold his own.
Thanos faced of against Champion a being weilding the Power Gem allowing him infinite strentgh and Thanos showed his superior fighting skills. (Even though Champion should have put up a better fight)
Even with even strentgh Thanos is probably his superior in fighting and definetly in terms of Durability. When Thor was able to negate Juggernaut's durability he was still getting whuped.
So Thanos is still a better fighter. More durable, probably much more.
I always seemed to think that the gem(s) enhanced ones attribute. For example if Daredevil had the power gem his strength would be increased and COULD continue to increase if used properly. Unless as soon as Daredevil gets it, he automatically has power infinte and instantly becomes stronger than everyone in the MU? Theres this one character who has infinite strength. His name is the Hulk. Hulk doesnt just have strength out the yin yang, he has to constantly raise up his levels to become stronger. I thought thats how a gem worked. I could be wrong.
Now with Thanos being 100x stronger than Thor, i think its a miscalculation. Hes hella durable imo to take the punishment from Odin like he did, but thats nothing to do with strength. What would make Thanos 100x stronger than Thor? Where was that conclusion brought from?
Originally posted by Warmonger
The Magus once created a clone of Thanos and imbued it with even greater power than Thanos, but Thanos was able to destroy it in battle.Thanos has faced CL100s in pairs. Thing and THor Drax and Hulk and has been able to best or hold his own.
Thanos faced of against Champion a being weilding the Power Gem allowing him infinite strentgh and Thanos showed his superior fighting skills. (Even though Champion should have put up a better fight)
Even with even strentgh Thanos is probably his superior in fighting and definetly in terms of Durability. When Thor was able to negate Juggernaut's durability he was still getting whuped.
So Thanos is still a better fighter. More durable, probably much more.
thing and thor were getting the better of him )scan in warrior thor v immortal hercules thread probably one page back)
once thor negated juggs shield, thor was ready to ko him and would have had he not been ready to change to blake.
skills are likely comparable. thanos IS far more durable, but 100x as strong??
NO WAY IN HELL.
Originally posted by leonidas
thing and thor were getting the better of him )scan in warrior thor v immortal hercules thread probably one page back)once thor negated juggs shield, thor was ready to ko him and would have had he not been ready to change to blake.
skills are likely comparable. thanos IS far more durable, but 100x as strong??
NO WAY IN HELL.
What do you mean, he smoked them. They had a seeming uperhand but they hadn't really seemd to inflict any damage.
Thor was not ready to K.O Juggs certainly not after Juggernaut smashed him with that pillar. Maybe had the fight continued to its conlcusion you can say but they were still trading blows more or less until the spell stopped.
smoked them? i said they physically had the upperhand. the 100x thing was for someone else. sorry.
i could show you scans of thor/juggs, though i know they are already around somewhere. thor has him against the wall, juggs is beaten and thor is ready to finish him. check it out again. you ARE talking about the one where thor cut him off from his power, right?
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Thanos 100x stronger than Thor?😆WTF is the world come too. There is no proof of that in bios or better yet in comics to prove that point.