Superman vs Members fo the X-Men

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Iceman by himself is a threat to Superman, and if your superman bias go read the entire Iceman vs Superman debate one of the best threads this place has had in awhile. With Cable and Magento helping these team should win.....though Superman will take some wins...

How is iceman a threat? Can you point to a feat that suggests anywhere near the power level required to harm superman?

Magneto and cable are the threats, imo. If cable can mind control him, then fight is obviously over. I doubt that will happen, however, especially if sm blitzes him.

Mag can win if he turns off sm's bioelectric aura. Not clear he could do so, however. If he can't, he goes down as easily as the rest.

Originally posted by slade10
You realize, in that pic, that:

1. Superman has absorbed solar energy from cannibal planet; and

2. He's only raising the planet's temperature a few degrees.

Superman wins this fight pretty handily. But not because of that pic.

Actually, the thread starter said Superman has been on the surface of the sun for 1 hour. That scan is valid for this fight.

Originally posted by Femi32
Actually, the thread starter said Superman has been on the surface of the sun for 1 hour. That scan is valid for this fight.

If you think absorbing the energy from cannibal planet, which had been sucking the sun for who knows how long (but long enough for it to turn almost black), is equivalent to sitting on the sun for an hour.

Originally posted by slade10
How is iceman a threat? Can you point to a feat that suggests anywhere near the power level required to harm superman?

Magneto and cable are the threats, imo. If cable can mind control him, then fight is obviously over. I doubt that will happen, however, especially if sm blitzes him.

Mag can win if he turns off sm's bioelectric aura. Not clear he could do so, however. If he can't, he goes down as easily as the rest.

basically his run in Xmen forever, by freezing the stranger (whos one bad mofo) his heat beams and a celestial ship (everything that the ship IS, not just the ship itself [ie not just around it, but its very molecules]
He can exist as water vapor, Superman would not be able to see him since how can you tell the difference between water vapor....and water vapor??? He can rip any liquid from his body....so many options, go to the link on my sig, you'll see what Im talking about.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
basically his run in Xmen forever, by freezing the stranger (whos one bad mofo) his heat beams and a celestial ship (everything that the ship IS, not just the ship itself [ie not just around it, but its very molecules]
He can exist as water vapor, Superman would not be able to see him since how can you tell the difference between water vapor....and water vapor??? He can rip any liquid from his body....so many options, go to the link on my sig, you'll see what Im talking about.

Can you post scans?

Originally posted by slade10
Can you post scans?

its all in my respect thread bro, too tired to go get them, so just press the link

Originally posted by Blair Wind
its all in my respect thread bro, too tired to go get them, so just press the link

I did. And didn't find anything when I searched each page for "stranger"

That's a pretty ridiculously powerful feat. Not clear to me how in hell iceman could do it. Is he tapping an infinite power source for freezing purposes?

Originally posted by slade10
I did. And didn't find anything when I searched each page for "stranger"

That's a pretty ridiculously powerful feat. Not clear to me how in hell iceman could do it. Is he tapping an infinite power source for freezing purposes?

go to the third page

Originally posted by slade10
If you think absorbing the energy from cannibal planet, which had been sucking the sun for who knows how long (but long enough for it to turn almost black), is equivalent to sitting on the sun for an hour.

He absorbed energy from the planet? His insignia has the same pattern as the sun. The scans where he is attacking the planet are confusing.

if bats can take on x-men then so can supes

Icman is a powerful mut that with out a ?... but I think his powers would have ne effect on superman. the reason i say this is because superman insides are also protected.. like in a comic when superboy shrinked to micro size and went into supermans body..superboy was unable to even hurt one of supermans cells.. so bobby turning in vapor and going into supermans body is not realy gonna do anything..supermnan aura goes in and out his body thats why i think the xmen best chance in mags... also the temp thats bobby brings is nothing new to superman...

Superman is more powerful than a buttload of X-men.

But Iceman or Magneto can do it on their own.
Xavier, when written well, could also do it alone. If Superman KO's him Xavier would actually take Shadow King-like form and just attack from the Astral Plane, where Superman is totally helpless...

supes takes it

If they are all written well, it would be a good, fight, but supes got such a powerful immunity to mind attacks that they'd be wasting time as he keeps killing them off one by one. Supes take it.

There's a pretty big difference between showing resistence to mental control and being immune to just being mindblasted. Superman has shown the former....he hasn't shown the latter. And the fact that Xavier can continue fighting from the Astral Plane after losing consciousness has to be taken into consideration - how will Superman fight him then?

How will Superman beat Iceman? He also can exist without a body, and can just stop every molecule in Superman's body. Just stop it entirely.

Superman just doesn't have the arsenal necessary to defeat non-physical opponents like them.

Originally posted by demigawd
There's a pretty big difference between showing resistence to mental control and being immune to just being mindblasted. Superman has shown the former....he hasn't shown the latter. And the fact that Xavier can continue fighting from the Astral Plane after losing consciousness has to be taken into consideration - how will Superman fight him then?

How will Superman beat Iceman? He also can exist without a body, and can just stop every molecule in Superman's body. Just stop it entirely.

Superman just doesn't have the arsenal necessary to defeat non-physical opponents like them.

What was the deal with the fight between Superman and Dominus? Did Superman take him into DC astral plane or just into his mind? I can't tell.
http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=torquasmvo4po.jpg
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As far as Iceman, yeah I don't see how Superman will beat him as he doesn't have to have a "body". Its kind of like putting someone up against Classic Juggernaut; his durability makes just about every fight end up a draw.

Originally posted by TheKahn
What was the deal with the fight between Superman and Dominus? Did Superman take him into DC astral plane or just into his mind? I can't tell.
http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=torquasmvo4po.jpg
http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vo23kw.jpg
http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vo31hz.jpg

As far as Iceman, yeah I don't see how Superman will beat him as he doesn't have to have a "body". Its kind of like putting someone up against Classic Juggernaut; his durability makes just about every fight end up a draw.

Sounds like he created a "psychic arena" or somesuch in the real world. Doesn't sound like the Astral Plane, though.

Again, though, it sounds like it would be useful for fending off attempts to take over his mind, but not so much for defending against a psiblast, which has nothing to do with willpower.

I'm not too familiar with the whole Kryptonian Theta state deal myself. Does anyone know exactly what it is and how he can use it?