That's EU, btw in EU Quinlan Vos wasn't really a Jedi who followed the rules...he created a relationship when he was undercover in the Clone Wars with a girl called Khaleen. He kept it a secret until he said to everyone that he was going to leave the Jedi order after the war, because she was pregnant. He survived order 66 (actually I've read that George Lucas said to darkhorse that he survived it! So is this EU??) There the rumour began if he would be in the TV series...
i think if the jedi arent allowed get it on if you look at the style of clothing they wear it is very similar to that of the tibetian monks that we know and watch spin on there heads
but another reason being that you are not allowed(as a jedi) to treasure things and you must let go thats why anakin was gonna get kicked out of the order
plus yoda has only got that gimer stick because he is over-compensating for something oh and whats a flame thread?
well if you don't know...what you are doing is for example...off topic...it means that you are not talking about the subject what the thread is about...and if you're trying to be sarcastic...not working
further on-topic...I don't have anything to say anymore. I gave my opinion and some facts why the Jedi wouldn't have sex.
do you get the picture now? 🙄
Well PVS, you said that OB1 drinking would be reckless, and although they tried to make OB1 look "textbook" in the prequels, he said himself to Yoda that he was reckless. ("so was I, if you remember.) So I don't think that sex in and of itself would be banned, but I think the Jedi Order would find it hard for those who are "selfless and only care about others", to be able so have a sexual relationship without having some type of attachment. I'm not trying to dance around your question, just trying to explain myself.
I don't know, the reason it wouldn't be banned is also kinda the reason why it WOULD be banned. If you're going to know about someone that intimately, to do so without feelings, might be construed (sry for misspelling) as a way of the darkside. Do you see what I mean? Ultimately, i think that given all circumstances (not including possibility of offspring) it would be banned. It may be viewed, morally, more wrong than marriage, being as one is based on love and companionship (although that leads to darkside) and one is based on simple carnal selfish pleasures. If you're bangin a chick (or guy) and there's no emotion there, its selfish thus not coinciding with the Jedi Code. But when you think about it, how could you be against something that brought you life and allowed you to become a Jedi? But thats all in the mind of GL.
But PVS, let me know what you think. But i didn't try to make it so long and conflicting with itself, i was just thinking as I was typing.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Well PVS, you said that OB1 drinking would be reckless, and although they tried to make OB1 look "textbook" in the prequels, he said himself to Yoda that he was reckless. ("so was I, if you remember.) So I don't think that sex in and of itself would be banned, but I think the Jedi Order would find it hard for those who are "selfless and only care about others", to be able so have a sexual relationship without having some type of attachment. I'm not trying to dance around your question, just trying to explain myself.I don't know, the reason it wouldn't be banned is also kinda the reason why it WOULD be banned. If you're going to know about someone that intimately, to do so without feelings, might be construed (sry for misspelling) as a way of the darkside. Do you see what I mean? Ultimately, i think that given all circumstances (not including possibility of offspring) it would be banned. It may be viewed, morally, more wrong than marriage, being as one is based on love and companionship (although that leads to darkside) and one is based on simple carnal selfish pleasures. If you're bangin a chick (or guy) and there's no emotion there, its selfish thus not coinciding with the Jedi Code. But when you think about it, how could you be against something that brought you life and allowed you to become a Jedi? But thats all in the mind of GL.
But PVS, let me know what you think. But i didn't try to make it so long and conflicting with itself, i was just thinking as I was typing.
i could not have explained that better if i tried
i dont think GL could either though
well said
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Well PVS, you said that OB1 drinking would be reckless, and although they tried to make OB1 look "textbook" in the prequels, he said himself to Yoda that he was reckless. ("so was I, if you remember.) So I don't think that sex in and of itself would be banned, but I think the Jedi Order would find it hard for those who are "selfless and only care about others", to be able so have a sexual relationship without having some type of attachment. I'm not trying to dance around your question, just trying to explain myself.I don't know, the reason it wouldn't be banned is also kinda the reason why it WOULD be banned. If you're going to know about someone that intimately, to do so without feelings, might be construed (sry for misspelling) as a way of the darkside. Do you see what I mean? Ultimately, i think that given all circumstances (not including possibility of offspring) it would be banned. It may be viewed, morally, more wrong than marriage, being as one is based on love and companionship (although that leads to darkside) and one is based on simple carnal selfish pleasures. If you're bangin a chick (or guy) and there's no emotion there, its selfish thus not coinciding with the Jedi Code. But when you think about it, how could you be against something that brought you life and allowed you to become a Jedi? But thats all in the mind of GL.
But PVS, let me know what you think. But i didn't try to make it so long and conflicting with itself, i was just thinking as I was typing.
well, the real kicker is, as i've stated, that im sure GL would say 'no'.
not that he would ever bother to ponder this, but im sure he would say that the jedi cannot have sex. i argue as a devils advocate. with that said:
obiwan referred to himself as reckless ("so was i"😉 but that could have been a reference to obiwan as a youngling, or even in ep1. however who did they send to defeat GG? who's shoulders did they place the task of ending the war on? good ol' kenobi, thats who. they all put their asses on the line and sent him. why? because not only was he powerful, but they trusted him completely. and far be it from a jedi master and councel member to trust a reckless jedi. unfortunately kenobi doesnt hit the bottle in ep3, or my point would be complete. but at the same time, apart from hair style i dont see much of a difference in attitude between ep2 and 3 kenobi.
as far as sex being a selfish act, any act of self gratification/comfort/relief/relaxation etc is selfish. serving one's self isnt always of the dark side. and especially if there is someone else whom you are pleasing. we can go back and forth with the selfishness debate....but there will be no conclusion, since casual sex and selfishness are not tied together. they may be in OUR world, but also we are conditioned through our society to think that way. even those of us that enjoy casual sex acknowledge selfishness a degree of immorality, whether or not we really care. but this morality is of our reality, and this is a completely removed universe. in parts of the world men take many wives, some parts they dont bother marrying...any isolated civilization has the potential to make up its own moral code, and though we may see it as warped, they see it with their own firm sense of right and wrong.
on top of that, the notion that sex could be considered selfish does not mean that it would automatically be banned outright. as far as i've seen (assume) the only things banned from the jedi order are those things which lead to the dark side, not things which are simply unjedi-like. for instance, if that was the case than defiance of the council would also be harshly banned, right? which would mean that quigon would have been banned. if not him than obiwan for also suggesting that he would defy yoda at the end of ep1.
so the question isnt really "are the jedi encouraged to have casual sex", but simply if it is a path to the darkside and thus banned. in other words i think i understand the first part of your post...correct me if im mistaken.
and like i said, im sure that GL would forbid it. but stepping outside of his mind and into the given world he created on screen, i still see nothing which tells me that sex would be forbidden. im sure they would prefer that the jedi remain celebate, but now ponder this:
would a vow of complete celebacy lead to pent up urges? could the lack of sex actually be more dangerous? im sure jedi have hormones. and with that said..........would they be allowed to masturbate? 😱
LOL, i was actgually going to mention masturbation...thats funny. I see where youre coming from on the whole, "removed universe" and how we cant judge them by OUR standards or morality measuring sticks. But at the same time, and im not saying this to go back and forth or to be argumenative, but if youre with a woman that you have NO feelings for what-so-ever, do you really care if she is getting pleased? Like if you went out and got a hooker, would you care if she got her nut off? Ill go out on a limb and say probably not, unless you really like hookers 😛 . So to care in the least if the woman is being please, would be to have SOME type of feelings and/or attachment to her. Which means in turn, that the Jedi in question would be "thinking inwards, only of themselves". Which is where I guess whackin it would fall as well.
And yea, you pretty much got the jist of what I was saying at first. But I think thats what it boils down to, if casual sex would lead to the darkside.
But I do concur with you, that theres nothing that proves beyond reasonable doubt that sex would automatically banned.
Its kind of a tricky question, its all circumstancial. Every Jedi's motive, although acheiving the same goal...release, would be different.
Like I said, not trying to be argumenative, I just think comparing notes after reading the other's ideas, is the best way to find an answer.