" Your Guidance " ?

Where you read (or anybody) that Palps is teaching him on THAT way? He is fulfilling a fatherhood to the kid.

Consider that this voice around his ear have been whispering since HIS 9 years to now. Did anyone consider WHAT is the mind of a 9 year old Kid? And what are the consecuences of having a "supreme chancellor" of the gallaxy speaking nice words at you at THAT AGE???? and keeping doing it for 10 years (not to mention that THIS 10 years are chritical on the maturity of a personality)??????

How palpatine is doing this stuff with anakin is clear to me. Anakin don't have the minor chance to know for real that HE IS BEING TRICKED!

Anakin specifically said that Obi-Wan was like a father to him. NOT PALPATINE!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by peluffo
He is fulfilling a fatherhood to the kid.

That's what the kid feels, but the real role is covered by this parental figure who is supervising the boy, giving him support and guidance ("your guidance, more than my patience"... ring a bell??) not by the "educational mentor" that is Obi Wan.
read some psichology book about grown up and maturity. You may see it clearer then.
Besides, the kind of relationship that they SHOW onscreen teach us about the level of comunication that THEY have, and I take my bet about that they are very close, and nobody cares or notes this. Not even ObiWan.

By the way, the freaking kid never had a Father, then, why are you so overconfident about the BS that he says????

but he says that Obi-Wan is like his father. Palpatine is just a guy who helps him occasionally. You can have a father and a guide, too.

Yes, but this is HIS opinion. If you SEE from outside the mechanic of his relations, you will notice that Palpatine is carefully and intentionally fullfilling the holes that ObiWans left.
And we have ONLY hints from canon sources, and they indicates that Palpy will "follow his career with great interest" as is stated at the end of TPM, and 10 years after, a meeting between Ani and Palpy which reveals that they were building a relationship, and that this relationship is deeply based on a kind of parenthood FROM palpy TO the kid, even when he never HAD a father, so he can't judge it for himself.

But you're saying that Anakin turns because he views Palpatine as a father figure. If he doesn't view Palpy as a father, even if he is wrong, that still would have no bearing on his turning

Originally posted by LaurenE147
But you're saying that Anakin turns because he views Palpatine as a father figure.

WHERE exactly I said this?😕

"The hability to speak doesn't mean intelligence"

You implied that Anakin trusted him because he thought of him as a father.

Originally posted by LaurenE147
You implied that Anakin trusted him because he thought of him as a father.

I NEVER POSTED THAT!😕 🙄
2 things: you are misunderstanding what I'm tring to say
OR: I'm posting it wrong all the way, and this is an language issue.

Forget what anakin thinks or feel about palpy. He can't know. He never had a REAL father. I'm talking about what PALPATINE is doing with the kid. You're taking the knife from the wrong end.

You're contradicting yourself.

Ush! Gundy! Rex! Somebody back me up here. But only if you back me up.

You are the one who is assuming things that I haven't written. Please, READ what I've said instead of seeing implied things that don't exist.

BTW, "I've given up trying to argue with you"

I understand what peluffo is saying. It makes perfect sense to me. Regardless of how Anakin regards Obi-Wan, the role of fatherhood is being played out by the manipulative Palpatine! At this stage,I don't believe Anakin fully realises the differences in the two men who are teaching him. And we all must surely see that Obi-Wan is not old enough to be a "father figure" to the boy the way Palpatine clearly is! And he is more compliementary of the boy than Obi-Wan is. In other words, Anakin feels he is being "stifled" or "held back" by his master,so he more than appreciates being told his good qualities by the Supreme Chanecellor. Bottom line: Anakin Skywalker wants to be liked/ He seeks approval.

I think Palpy probably pep talked a bit with young Anakin

Peluffo would be great in the Debate Forum. And he probably writes great persuasive essays... 😄

I agree with most of Pel's ideas. Palpy probably has been whispering in Anakin's ear the last 10 years, and it's beginning to take influence on the young guy's mind. Especially since it's 10 of the most important years in a young man's life, as Pel pointed out.

Retrospectively taking sides against Lauren, Rex? I am surprised. Are you still in contact with her?

Not really. Sent a few e-mails back and forth, but the link died. 🙁

A shame.

palpatine slowly luring anakin into his grasp=fact.

No=duh.

ha