Life choices, life chooses; you are welcome to smoke, but don't do it in a manner that has a physical affect on other people.
I think any initiative to cut the number of people smoking is an excellent idea. It's a fact that many people smoke only when they drink, so if it becomes more inconvenient to smoke when people are drinking, then obviously it will cut the number of people smoking. People, smoking, drinking, smoking, people, drinking.
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Life choices, life chooses; you are welcome to smoke, but don't do it in a manner that has a physical affect on other people.I think any initiative to cut the number of people smoking is an excellent idea. It's a fact that many people smoke only when they drink, so if it becomes more inconvenient to smoke when people are drinking, then obviously it will cut the number of people smoking. People, smoking, drinking, smoking, people, drinking.
Certainment.
Sol- let's agree to disagree.
Originally posted by soleran30
Fair enough,that still doesn't take away from the absolute ludicrious law!
Who MAKES you go to a "smokers" hang out?
Non smokers don't go to smokers hang outs, smokers go to non smoking hang outs. They have no respect, they think it is their God given right to smoke wherever and whenever they like, they don't care about the rights of others, just about their right to kill themselves, and the right to contribute to the deaths of others.
Originally posted by super pr*xy
it is their God given right to smoke whenever, where ever... as much as it is your God given to disagree about it. the only thing preventing smokers smoking anywhere, anytime is the constrictions implied by NON-SMOKERS. ain't it peachy...
Ever had to stand in a packed concert venue with no way of avoiding the smoke, while some obnoxious moron lights up next to you and fills the air (and your lungs) with poison, just because they couldn't go without one for a few hours?
I'm gonna assume no. Because anyone that has endured that would laugh at that comment.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Ever had to stand in a packed concert venue with no way of avoiding the smoke, while some obnoxious moron lights up next to you and fills the air (and your lungs) with poison, just because they couldn't go without one for a few hours?I'm gonna assume no. Because anyone that has endured that would laugh at that comment.
-AC
I have and just because I dislike something shouldn't mean we need to take away the rights of others...............when choices are made to stand in that concert🙂
Originally posted by soleran30
I have and just because I dislike something shouldn't mean we need to take away the rights of others...............when choices are made to stand in that concert🙂
Factually incorrect.
I've been to many concerts with no smoking signs, no smoking warnings, it has still happened. Choices are also made to attend a no smoking concert. If you can't hack that, then don't show up.
One person smokes and the whole front row are being negatively affected by it, no way you can defend that. No logical way anyway. If you wanna destroy your lungs, fine. I'm not trying to make you quit, I'm trying not to get lung cancer.
-AC
Originally posted by super pr*xy
it is their God given right to smoke whenever, where ever... as much as it is your God given to disagree about it. the only thing preventing smokers smoking anywhere, anytime is the constrictions implied by NON-SMOKERS. ain't it peachy...
What exactly is preventing people from killing another?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Factually incorrect.I've been to many concerts with no smoking signs, no smoking warnings, it has still happened. Choices are also made to attend a no smoking concert. If you can't hack that, then don't show up.
One person smokes and the whole front row are being negatively affected by it, no way you can defend that. No logical way anyway. If you wanna destroy your lungs, fine. I'm not trying to make you quit, I'm trying not to get lung cancer.
-AC
you are making an assumption that the whole front row is being negatively affected.
There has been no reported cases of second hand smoke causing lung cancer none zero.
if you didn't like the smoke and it was against policy there you should have informed someone to handle that. Banning smoking is ridiculous and starts taking away rights the govt shouldn't have to begin with.
Re: smoking ban
Originally posted by super pr*xy
today, the city of newport beach enforced the no smoking policy in public beaches. newport beach is the third city (san clemente and huntington beach) to enforce such law.i think this is bullsh!t. first you can't smoke in a bar... that one's a bit understandable. it's an eclosure, the smoke builds up. but if you don't like smoke in a bar, maybe you shouldn't go there... go to a club or something. but the beach..? it's open air! you don't like the smell, move to another spot. they say the cigarette butts pollute the sand. what will they ban next? sodas? marshmallows?
Um, cig butts DO pollute the sand and the near shore waters. There is research to back it up. If you want to smoke outside , hey that's fine. Just don't flick the butts into the sand, water, street, etc. Try to find a trashcan to put it in.
Originally posted by soleran30
you are making an assumption that the whole front row is being negatively affected.There has been no reported cases of second hand smoke causing lung cancer none zero.
if you didn't like the smoke and it was against policy there you should have informed someone to handle that. Banning smoking is ridiculous and starts taking away rights the govt shouldn't have to begin with.
So now because they ignored the rules and showed up to selfishly smoke in a non-smoking venue, causing me to breathe in, smell and deal with that shit, it's MY fault for not dealing with it?
Whether I got them to put it out or not, they showed up and selfishly ignored the rules just to get their negligible fix. No debate for that.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So now because they ignored the rules and showed up to selfishly smoke in a non-smoking venue, causing me to breathe in, smell and deal with that shit, it's MY fault for not dealing with it?Whether I got them to put it out or not, they showed up and selfishly ignored the rules just to get their negligible fix. No debate for that.
-AC
Yup and I am certainly not debating that point. However to have the govt issue a ban on smoking is assinine and giving them way to much control. The minute you give up one freedom rest assured there will be others that follow.
Also banning smoking is now saying that nonsmokers have more rights then nonsmokers and once again the govt has overstepped its power unless its voted on by the people like you and I and majority rules (which I sincerely doubt they did.)
I am not so selfish as to say everyone should quit smoking. If you wanna smoke, I don't care if you smoke 1 a year or 50 a day. The point is, I chose not to. If you want to smoke, fine, but I don't want to have to breathe it in, smell it, taste it and have it in my lungs.
I don't have a choice if you do it in an enclosed public space. It's all very well and good saying "I have the right to smoke anywhere" and I have the right to say "I don't wanna breathe it in." However, you had the choice to smoke or not, if you choose TO smoke in that kind of area, I have no choice. You've taken my choice away as to whether I want to breathe it in or not.
Fair? No.
-AC
Originally posted by soleran30
Yup and I am certainly not debating that point. However to have the govt issue a ban on smoking is assinine and giving them way to much control. The minute you give up one freedom rest assured there will be others that follow.Also banning smoking is now saying that nonsmokers have more rights then nonsmokers and once again the govt has overstepped its power unless its voted on by the people like you and I and majority rules (which I sincerely doubt they did.)
So would you suggest that every business just "take it upon themselves" to put a ban in place? Some people who need to smoke are only going to follow smoking bans when they know they will be confronted on the matter. Most public venues aren't going to just willingly say "don't smoke here" when they know that it's good for profit. They can make money from selling cigs, money from cig companies who want to put up their billboards and posters and from the smoker consumers themselves. In our system that says "make a buck anyway you can so long as it's 'legal'" I'd be skeptical to rely on the venues or the individuals to willingly make that decision themselves. You have to look at the whole systematic freedom for us all and not just the individualistic perception of freedom.
You can't debate "The government are taking away my right to choose!" when you are taking away mine by smoking in enclosed public spaces.
Everyone is born a non-smoker, you CHOSE to pick the habit so you are going to be treated differently from those who did not choose to pick it, especially when your choice infringes upon others.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I am not so selfish as to say everyone should quit smoking. If you wanna smoke, I don't care if you smoke 1 a year or 50 a day. The point is, I chose not to. If you want to smoke, fine, but I don't want to have to breathe it in, smell it, taste it and have it in my lungs.I don't have a choice if you do it in an enclosed public space. It's all very well and good saying "I have the right to smoke anywhere" and I have the right to say "I don't wanna breathe it in." However, you had the choice to smoke or not, if you choose TO smoke in that kind of area, I have no choice. You've taken my choice away as to whether I want to breathe it in or not.
Fair? No.
-AC
Yeah well lets get to the more significant point did anyone take away your rights? Did you chose to dine/drink/party in an establishment that allows smoking? Cuz if you CHOSE to go to a smoking establishment then don't whine about the smoke.
There are many smoke free places where I live and its enforced by owners of the establishment and believe me no one would allow smoking to occur. To make it a LAW is retarded was there a vote on this for the people to decide their laws?
Originally posted by soleran30
Yeah well lets get to the more significant point did anyone take away your rights? Did you chose to dine/drink/party in an establishment that allows smoking? Cuz if you CHOSE to go to a smoking establishment then don't whine about the smoke.
If you're shoulder to shoulder with someone at a barrier, you should at least show the damn courtesy enough to ask them if they mind. It's the most vile thing ever having to breathe in smoke if you're not a smoker.
Originally posted by soleran30
There are many smoke free places where I live and its enforced by owners of the establishment and believe me no one would allow smoking to occur. To make it a LAW is retarded was there a vote on this for the people to decide their laws?
As Meep said, how many business are going to turn away the vast amounts of smoking customers?
Not many.
-Ac
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You can't debate "The government are taking away my right to choose!" when you are taking away mine by smoking in enclosed public spaces.Everyone is born a non-smoker, you CHOSE to pick the habit so you are going to be treated differently from those who did not choose to pick it, especially when your choice infringes upon others.
-AC
I think you can debate it but maybe not the way you think. Anyway, I do agree with you when you say that smokers take away your right to not be around smoke when they light up where ever they feel.