Originally posted by locuasohappy
i was wondering why in the original trilogy the lighsaber duels were so slow (and the lightsaber was very thin) and in the Prequels the duels were so much faster and intense (the lighsabers were thicker and slightly shorter)
Because 1: the OT was made in late 70's, early 80's, where Lucas himself was revolutionizing the technology. The PT was made in this era, where a 5 year old can do on a comp what Lucas spent millions doing.
2: the PT was a while before the OT, where Jedi were high in numbers, even tho they barely practiced lightsaber duels until Maul showed up, but in the OT the only two Jedi left (not counting Luke here), well, Yoda lost his lightsaber for one thing, and Ben had no reason keep practicing.
hey none was there to tell obi-wan not to drink.....you notice in aotc he went str8 to the bar when finding bounty hunter chic....annie of course would follow his lead...jedi see jedi do...lol...luke well yoda never thought of warning him of how much jack daniels or correlian ale could slow him down...LOL
Technoligy gaps and and other such things.
Obi-wan was a hermet who lived in a backwater planet. he had no need to keep practicing. Also he as old, very old for a human. Yoda 1. lost his ligh sabre. 2. He lived in a swamp on a backwater planet. 3. He was getting old for whatever alien he was.
Vader was also gettin kinda old. And he had lost every limb he had at one point in time. Also I think after just choking people out with a flick of your wrist for ten years will make you kind of lazy.
All the jedi after werds were not trained right. In the PT, people were accepted into the Jedi temple and trained at the ages of five and such. Luke and the others did't get trained till adult hood. The training lasted like 10-15 years, with the right euipment and such. Luke was only trained for like three days total. one dat with Obi-wan and 1 and a half with Yoda, besides training by himself.
I think everyone's assuming it's more tech than trend.
The OT duels, ANH aside (Because in that case, tech really DID dictate the rules of combat), are simple but effective. There's less emphasis on duelling, however, and more on drama. The style was part-European broadsword style, part- kendo style. I personally liked the lack of emphasis on a saberfest and the more dramatic but simpler style.
In the PT, the influences are more eastern, like kung fu type swordsmanship. More emphasis on spins and flips and flourishes (Which are really of no use in real swordsmanship). I really think this type of choreography is inferior rather than superior in terms of authenticity. While most people may not notice, I notice all too well how glaringly unrealistic the style is and how useless most of the moves are. TPM Qui Gon Jinn does a complete spin just to slash at Maul's legs. It has to be the most telegraphed attack in SW history right next to Luke's Clumsy Stab in ROTJ at Vader (Complete with Ninja Shout). However, PT Jedi swordsman are much faster and more precise, especially Obi versus Anakin or DOoku versus anyone.
But anyways, the change was due to a change in trend in movie fighting, more than a change in tech.
Well, after episode 3, noone had any use or couldn't practice lightsaber fighting techniques. Yoda lost his lightsaber so he couldn't practice. Darth Vader didn't need to practice because he believed all jedi to be dead but Obi-Wan, and he didn't think it was very likely for him to find him. Obi-Wan didn't need to practice because he was watching over Luke while he was growing up and he was getting old so he couldn't move as fast.
I agree with Wesker on the choice of OT fight style. Epi 2 and 3 had some great swordplay, but duels like in ESB and ROTJ keep me glued to the set.
I've been watching ESB lately, and watched how Vader fought with Luke. The beginning was very tame, like Vader studying to see how well Luke does at using a lightsaber, and as the movie progresses, Vader takes off the kid gloves and gives his son a good thrashing.
Originally posted by Wesker
I think everyone's assuming it's more tech than trend.The OT duels, ANH aside (Because in that case, tech really DID dictate the rules of combat), are simple but effective. There's less emphasis on duelling, however, and more on drama. The style was part-European broadsword style, part- kendo style. I personally liked the lack of emphasis on a saberfest and the more dramatic but simpler style.
In the PT, the influences are more eastern, like kung fu type swordsmanship. More emphasis on spins and flips and flourishes (Which are really of no use in real swordsmanship). I really think this type of choreography is [b]inferior
rather than superior in terms of authenticity. While most people may not notice, I notice all too well how glaringly unrealistic the style is and how useless most of the moves are. TPM Qui Gon Jinn does a complete spin just to slash at Maul's legs. It has to be the most telegraphed attack in SW history right next to Luke's Clumsy Stab in ROTJ at Vader (Complete with Ninja Shout). However, PT Jedi swordsman are much faster and more precise, especially Obi versus Anakin or DOoku versus anyone.But anyways, the change was due to a change in trend in movie fighting, more than a change in tech. [/B]
More eastern cinematography, but definitely not more eastern style. You'd be hard pressed to say some of those lightsaber styles were eastern.
Originally posted by WeskerDamn Janus, you've observatorially pwnt us.
I think everyone's assuming it's more tech than trend.The OT duels, ANH aside (Because in that case, tech really DID dictate the rules of combat), are simple but effective. There's less emphasis on duelling, however, and more on drama. The style was part-European broadsword style, part- kendo style. I personally liked the lack of emphasis on a saberfest and the more dramatic but simpler style.
In the PT, the influences are more eastern, like kung fu type swordsmanship. More emphasis on spins and flips and flourishes (Which are really of no use in real swordsmanship). I really think this type of choreography is [b]inferior
rather than superior in terms of authenticity. While most people may not notice, I notice all too well how glaringly unrealistic the style is and how useless most of the moves are. TPM Qui Gon Jinn does a complete spin just to slash at Maul's legs. It has to be the most telegraphed attack in SW history right next to Luke's Clumsy Stab in ROTJ at Vader (Complete with Ninja Shout). However, PT Jedi swordsman are much faster and more precise, especially Obi versus Anakin or DOoku versus anyone.But anyways, the change was due to a change in trend in movie fighting, more than a change in tech. [/B]
Originally posted by Illustrious
More eastern cinematography, but definitely not more eastern style. You'd be hard pressed to say some of those lightsaber styles were eastern.
This is more correct, I agree. I typed it up in a hurry before work.
And yeah, the OT battles were very interesting to watch. Atmosphere and dialogue was far more important.