God's Latest Idea to get us to Behave!

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
I think you have missed the point I made...

With your law in place you have basically stripped us of the choice to do wrong... thus forcing people to be good... at face value this appears to be a good thing.

But... Your forcing people to be good... people should do this of there own accord, Not because if they don't there doomed... Anyone (by anyone I mean super powerful god/alien/goku) can create a race without free will that will do exactly what its programmed to Or be smited from the heavens...

But "god" gave us free will so that we could create our own utopia... Least thats what I believe...

Yes, It would solve alot of problems, But we would be sacrificing our freedom to do it!

I understand what you're saying, and you make a good point. I even agree with you: a true test, so to speak, of an omnipotent God might even be to create beings which could choose whether or not to believe in their creator, given at best ambiguous clues as to whether or not the creator even exists; or, in choosing not to believe, decide for themselves whether or not to behave honorably anyway.

But I'm posing a thought experiment. If Violence were no longer a "productive" option (people could still choose to pull a trigger; just beware the new consequences), how might this change things? Would the violent-prone acquiesce, or would most keep trying, even to the point of their own self-destruction? Human beings can be remarkably adaptive and remarkably stubborn. Maybe this would be another way to pose the question: which tendency would prove stronger?

You ask the average person if they would do something to intentionaly harm themselves? what would they say?? (baring emo kids and those with mental illness...)

No one would harm anyone else not for fear of getting caught by the law or cause it was wrong but cause they know they are harming themselves....

It would work, I'm not denying that you would cut out nearly all crime... But its a little extreme and it would cause the colapse of all free will, and scare people into believing...

It would ruin the world... Our entire social system would collapse.

The loss of power would destroy entire nations and governments and the thing is nobody could keep control because there wouldn't be any way to keep control, at the same time nobody could take control either. What we would most likely achieve is a world where everybody just kinda lives. Some would do things perhaps others would not. They would just die or try to work, in the end the lack of power for certain people and or nations would destroy the entire world and human society. It would be impossible for us to function.

Why would people still follow the government if they had no reason to? If nobody could punish them if they didn't and there would be no real reward if they did? So what they would have more money, they would try to buy a better car with that, but the problem is if stealing isn't allowed then every car would be worth about 10 to 20.000 dollars. I don't think humanity could survive without violence and crimes.

Originally posted by Fishy
It would ruin the world... Our entire social system would collapse.

The loss of power would destroy entire nations and governments and the thing is nobody could keep control because there wouldn't be any way to keep control, at the same time nobody could take control either. What we would most likely achieve is a world where everybody just kinda lives. Some would do things perhaps others would not. They would just die or try to work, in the end the lack of power for certain people and or nations would destroy the entire world and human society. It would be impossible for us to function.

Why would people still follow the government if they had no reason to? If nobody could punish them if they didn't and there would be no real reward if they did? So what they would have more money, they would try to buy a better car with that, but the problem is if stealing isn't allowed then every car would be worth about 10 to 20.000 dollars. I don't think humanity could survive without violence and crimes.

Without getting into the details, overall I tend to agree. It would likely mean a massive restructuring of our civilization, probably into something which would, in the end, be quite alien to how we manage our affairs now.

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
I think you have missed the point I made...

With your law in place you have basically stripped us of the choice to do wrong... thus forcing people to be good... at face value this appears to be a good thing.

But... Your forcing people to be good... people should do this of there own accord, Not because if they don't there doomed... Anyone (by anyone I mean super powerful god/alien/goku) can create a race without free will that will do exactly what its programmed to Or be smited from the heavens...

But "god" gave us free will so that we could create our own utopia... Least thats what I believe...

Yes, It would solve alot of problems, But we would be sacrificing our freedom to do it!

Originally posted by AOR
The rule is good, be people shouldn't have to follow it out of fear. That's what makes a trustworthy, well structured society. Not that every one is afraid of the consequence of breaking a rule, but rather for the sheer freedom of following it. We should not make examples out of people for others to follow, we should let them become examples.

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that scenario was played out in red dwarf a cult sitcom in the uk it us a comedy but was really cool

I gotta see that episode. For that matter, I've never seen any RD episode. Have a feelin I'm missing something.

RD?

RED DWARF

British sci-fi comedy... Huge fan following...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Dwarf
And the ep everyone is talking about is...
http://www.sadgeezer.com/html/Reviews+index-req-showcontent-id-374.html

"The prison complex is covered by a ‘Justice Field’ where it is physically impossible to commit a crime because whatever criminal act is performed, it is performed o_n the criminal. If they try to steal something from someone for instance, an item of their belongings goes missing. It is the perfect deterrent.

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They pass the Justice Field boundary and Lister confronts the Simulant. Lister is shot, but the Simulant gets the bullets in the chest. Lister is then stabbed but the Simulant gets the knife wound, Lister is stabbed again the beaten up, but again, it’s the Simulant that suffers the injury. The Justice Field will not allow any injustice to be committed. Lister puts the Simulant's hands around his neck and the Simulant strangles himself to death.

The crew get back o_nto Starbug and leave for Red Dwarf. Lister, feeling rather bullish after his victory over the Simulant, suggests that the Justice Field is doomed to failure because it does not allow free will. He concludes that the good things will happen to bad people and bad things will happen to good people – it’s just the way it is. Then he falls through a manhole cover!"

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cool thanks

Originally posted by Mindship
Okay, here's the deal...
God says, "Well the Flood didn't work, so I'm gonna cast upon the Earth a Golden Rule Spell. Any kind of harm or injustice one person or group of people tries to visit upon another will have it happen to them instead."

In other words...
You fire a gun at someone, the bullet hits you.
You try to suicide bomb someone, the bomb goes off while you are among your peers/family.
You try to embezzle, it is your $$$ which disappears.

You get the idea.
How will this play out with Human"kind?"

Originally posted by charlie chuckle
that scenario was played out in red dwarf a cult sitcom in the uk it us a comedy but was really cool

*whispers* I think I said that already..

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