Loki full power vs Silver Surfer

Originally posted by leonidas
he wasn't 'depowered' to my knowledge in ff50. he was stranded, but that doesn't equate to 'depowered'. i also thought the shark incident was a solitary one (ie -- was relevent only to that issue). do you have any actual in-comic proof mindship, to add some credence to these claims? i'll admit to never having heard of either one being used before as claims that ss was depowered early on. don't forget, in those first issues, he battled the stranger and mephisto, 2 very heavy hitters . . .

Much later he defeated Mephisto ......... see the difference.

I dunno, they both have pretty crappy records against Thor....heh heh

That's not suppose to mean he would beat Loki, to defeat Mephisto is easy if you have noble soul that he doesn't have power to handle

Originally posted by Diunic
That's not suppose to mean he would beat Loki, to defeat Mephisto is easy if you have noble soul that he doesn't have power to handle

here is the list:

-Stalemated Korvac ( galactus lvl)
-Defeated Mephisto
-Defeated Enslaver ( someone who was powerful Enough to beat marvel earth by himself ( meaning THor , Hulk , IM , etc)
-Defeated Durok ( someone who destroyed Thor........he was said to be more powerful than THor , and Loki)
list goes on

Originally posted by leonidas
he wasn't 'depowered' to my knowledge in ff50. he was stranded, but that doesn't equate to 'depowered'. i also thought the shark incident was a solitary one (ie -- was relevent only to that issue). do you have any actual in-comic proof mindship, to add some credence to these claims? i'll admit to never having heard of either one being used before as claims that ss was depowered early on. don't forget, in those first issues, he battled the stranger and mephisto, 2 very heavy hitters . . .

In FF#50, Galactus said "I remove your space-time powers!" While not a depowering in the now-surfer-fires-smaller-cosmic-bolts sense, it is still a loss of power in terms of overall ability (there was no Galactian Barrier at first).
At the end of FF#72, the Surfer commented that the shark "...almost totally drained me...of my cosmic power! Thus I stand before you...no longer invincible." The implication (IMO) is that this was permanent.
In FF#74, as the Surfer fires a bolt at Galactus' Punisher, he says, "Though my own power is but a fraction of what it once had been..."
In FF#76, while battling the FF in Sub-Atomica, the Surfer monologues, "Though I no longer possess the limitless powers of the cosmos--still am I the Silver Surfer!"
It was around the time FF#77 came out, that SS#1 appeared.

As to why this depowering was pretty much forgotten...honestly, I don't know. My guess is that it was just convenient for the writers, probably not too different from how Superman's power levels have varied, depending on the story and how to make it exciting.

I agree SS is very powerful even if he was depowered, but I don't think he can defeat Loki. Also that doesn't mean SS would be easily defeated but he would lose this one.

Originally posted by Mindship
In FF#50, Galactus said "I remove your space-time powers!" While not a depowering in the now-surfer-fires-smaller-cosmic-bolts sense, it is still a loss of power in terms of overall ability (there was no Galactian Barrier at first).
At the end of FF#72, the Surfer commented that the shark "...almost totally drained me...of my cosmic power! Thus I stand before you...no longer invincible." The implication (IMO) is that this was permanent.
In FF#74, as the Surfer fires a bolt at Galactus' Punisher, he says, "Though my own power is but a fraction of what it once had been..."
In FF#76, while battling the FF in Sub-Atomica, the Surfer monologues, "Though I no longer possess the limitless powers of the cosmos--still am I the Silver Surfer!"
It was around the time FF#77 came out, that SS#1 appeared.

As to why this depowering was pretty much forgotten...honestly, I don't know. My guess is that it was just convenient for the writers, probably not too different from how Superman's power levels have varied, depending on the story and how to make it exciting.

hmm, that's interesting. i don't have that arc you're referring to. but for the removal of the space time abilities, that was just a way to say he couldn't leave earth i always thought.

i suppose what you're saying is possible mindship, though i'm still a bit in doubt. did his powers simply expand over an indefinite period of time then? there really wasn't any 'end' to this 'depowered' era, that i know of, so . . . when did he 'regain' his powers? i'll buy your argument as regards his time on earth, but once he was back in space, he seemed to have been back to himself -- ie - when he got his own series.

as far as beating mephisto -- mephisto has owned ss almost everytime. ss's power in any era has proven to be well below mephisto's. hell, mephisto melted him!

I would give the majority to Loki only on the reasoning that SS is pretty vulnerable to magic, and Loki has that in spades, without prep.

Of course Silver Surfer actually gave "Life" to Quasimodo whilst depowered!!!

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Of course Silver Surfer actually gave "Life" to Quasimodo whilst depowered!!!

damn whirly, nice! i'd completely forgotten that . . .

i take it then we both agree that ss didn't seem to be depowered at the time that first series came about . . .? 😉

Yeah!!! Galactus was probably talking about the fact that SS was forbidden to left earth by the Big G force field. And there is no way Mephisto can be compared to SS in terms of power, he's immeasurable more powerful.

Originally posted by Diunic
Yeah!!! Galactus was probably talking about the fact that SS was forbidden to left earth by the Big G force field. And there is no way Mephisto can be compared to SS in terms of power, he's immeasurable more powerful.

that's definitely true, kg. i do think it's a close fight. ss may be more powerful, i just think loki is a clever sob and his brains would get him a couple wins.

Good! Loki needs some freakin' respect around here. All anyone knows him for is jobbing to Thor. It's about time he was grouped with the likes of Surfer...even if SS is the slight favorite if they fought.

Originally posted by leonidas
damn whirly, nice! i'd completely forgotten that . . .

Yeah, I have that one, too. Basically, he gave Quas mobility. Nice little story.

Originally posted by leonidas
i take it then we both agree that ss didn't seem to be depowered at the time that first series came about . . .? 😉

I'm not sure what the writers were planning, except, again, as I mentioned in a prior post, the Surfer might've been too powerful as a main character, being Earthbound. More likely, I think it was just the writer version of pushing stuff under the carpet, hoping it goes away.

I'm also not sure where this first appeared, but the Galactian Barrier was not the initial means by which SS was confined to Earth. This appears to have been a later invention (maybe it was intro'd when Doom had stolen SS's powers?)

I have large gaps in my knowledge of Surfer history, though my impression has been that, after he was free from Earth (in the 1980s?), he was full "re-empowered" (if by implication and not explicitly stated). In any event, to return to thread topic: when he fought Loki, it would seem--by continuity--that he was not the powerhouse he initially was.

That's true you don't need to be Mephisto level to handle Loki. But that's not the point. Loki is a GOD. SS is nothing comparing to him. SS has very nice heavy cosmic energies to trow at him, but then Loki can become intangible. That said, compare each other powers and just take matter manipulation as an example of Loki's superiority. SS loses 9/10.
HEIL LOKI WOLFFATHER! HEIL!HEIL!HEIL!
HAHAHAHA!!!!!!

All of this talk about Silver Surfer's power has convinced me. I'm going from Loki 5.1/10 to Loki 8.6/10.

ANd that's great!

This thread pretty much shows how Loki is underappreciated on the forum, I smell a respect thread happening sometime soon. ✅

^^ I'd love to see one done well. He needs it....and I have exactly 1 showing of his (in a Spidey comic) despite having read some stuff occasionally. Not exactly great respect-thread material though.