About Dooku losing to Anakin.

Started by Fox42 pages

Dooku was holding back.Sidious wanted to test Anakin, to see if he was ready, and if he wasn't then let him go and 'cook for awhile' as GL put it.

From Lucas on the DVD commentary of ROTS

“...In this particular case the idea is that Palpatine is testing Anakin to see if he’s strong enough to become his apprentice and he doesn’t tell Dooku what he’s up to. Dooku thinks he's just going to fight him, but the whole thing is setup by the emperor to test Anakin’s strength and when Anakin is strong enough, which he proves to be by killing Dooku, then the emperor is ready to convert him over to the darkside to become his new apprentice.”

Lucas has said so himself. 1) It was the test to see if Anakin was the better choice for his apprentice. 2) Dooku DOES NOT know what Palpatine is up to, which is - Trying to convert Anakin to the darkside. 3) Anakin proves he is worthy by being Palpatine’s new apprentice because he ends up being stronger then Dooku and killing him.

And unfortunately anything that was ever said in a EU book/ novel etc. about Dooku not trying/ knowing what Palpatine is up to is nullified by Lucas.

So basically... Anakin beat Dooku, fair and square.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
From Lucas on the DVD commentary of ROTS

“...In this particular case the idea is that Palpatine is testing Anakin to see if he’s strong enough to become his apprentice and he doesn’t tell Dooku what he’s up to. Dooku thinks he's just going to fight him, but the whole thing is setup by the emperor to test Anakin’s strength and when Anakin is strong enough, which he proves to be by killing Dooku, then the emperor is ready to convert him over to the darkside to become his new apprentice.”

Lucas has said so himself. 1) It was the test to see if Anakin was the better choice for his apprentice. 2) Dooku DOES NOT know what Palpatine is up to, which is - Trying to convert Anakin to the darkside. 3) Anakin proves he is worthy by being Palpatine’s new apprentice because he ends up being stronger then Dooku and killing him.

And unfortunately anything that was ever said in a EU book/ novel etc. about Dooku not trying/ knowing what Palpatine is up to is nullified by Lucas.

So basically... Anakin beat Dooku, fair and square.

you do make a good point but doesn't it make you wonder that maybe the whole thing is shit

GL:ahh matthew(stover) do you have your completed novel
matt:yeah right here check out the death of dooku scene

1 week passes......

ring...ring....ring...

matt:hello
GL:hi matt i finished your book
matt:jesus george its 2 in the morning
GL:yeah i know and my mum dont even know hahaha
matt: yeah so did you like it
GL:like it?. i love it i only wish i had payed as much attention in the films i mean you have made the story much more gripping .......
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GL:hello matt are you there? heeeellllloooooo fine bollocks then

see i got this from pacific bell

proof that the book builds on the good story line but if it was false then why did GL approve it?

Novel goes with movie just in more detail.....simple Dookieboy intended to hold back and found out that was a mistake...found out (carl weathers) "THE HARD WAY" (rocky)

Originally posted by craft-a-saber
you do make a good point but doesn't it make you wonder that maybe the whole thing is shit

GL:ahh matthew(stover) do you have your completed novel
matt:yeah right here check out the death of dooku scene

1 week passes......

ring...ring....ring...

matt:hello
GL:hi matt i finished your book
matt:jesus george its 2 in the morning
GL:yeah i know and my mum don't even know hahaha
matt: yeah so did you like it
GL:like it?. i love it i only wish i had payed as much attention in the films i mean you have made the story much more gripping .......
-beeeeeeeepppp-
GL:hello matt are you there? heeeellllloooooo fine bollocks then

see i got this from pacific bell

proof that the book builds on the good story line but if it was false then why did GL approve it?

I don't know, but GL says what he says. Go ask Lucas why he did. But as it stands, he says Anakin beat Dooku fair and square, and he has highest authority seeing as he's the creator, so hes right in all cases. If he says something that contradicts what another author has written, then THAT OTHER author is wrong, not Lucas.

This is the policy of these boards and the policy of Lucasfilm:

"When it comes to absolute canon, the real story of Star Wars, you must turn to the films themselves - and only the films. Even novelizations are interpretations of the film, and while they are largely true to George Lucas' vision (he works quite closely with the novel authors), the method in which they are written does allow for some minor differences."

That answers your question I think.

What does that mean? Anakin beat Dooku fair and square, and thats that.

if thats canon then there is no need for these boards are there what is the point discussing something that you can learn from the films

because this is debate

thats what the boards are here for

if GL contradicts himself who is wrong then

the GL who makes a film that looks as though anakin one by fluke

or the GL that agrees how a book dictates that dooku came in confidently toying with anakin but soon shits himself when he realises he cant win and has been set-up

if thats canon then there is no need for these boards are there what is the point discussing something that you can learn from the films

There isn't a point OF THIS THREAD anymore. Lucas's comments have told us what trainspired. There is still a point to these boards though, I dont know what your talking about.

because this is debate

thats what the boards are here for

if GL contradicts himself who is wrong then

GL does not contradict himself, where does he do that? He tells us Anakin wins, then Anakin wins. Thats it. The author of the Novel contradicted Lucas, he did not contradict himself. And unfortunately what Lucas says wins over the author of the novel says.

the GL who makes a film that looks as though anakin one by fluke

Opinion. It didn't look to me in the film as though Anakin won by fluke. It looked to me that Anakin got pissed off and kicked Dooku's ass after Dooku almost killed his master and friend.

or the GL that agrees how a book dictates that dooku came in confidently toying with anakin but soon shits himself when he realises he cant win and has been set-up

I dont quite get the point your trying to make here but Lucas is right, no matter what. Lucas says Anakin won, then Anakin won. There is nothing else.

The plan was kill kenobi enrage Skywalker but Palpatine wanted Anakin to Kill Dooky so he could convert Anakin to the dark side

how did he win by a fluke? he was constantly pressing Dooku, pursuing him. Easily cut BOTH his hands off, and then lopped his big ass head off. If you were going easy on someone and all of a sudden you found out that wasnt enough, are you gonna continue to go easy or try your best? Then he looked surprised as he knelt before Anakin, awaiting to lose hi head...to me and apparently GL himself...Anakin pwned him.

The GL commentary as well as the canon novelization makes it clear that Dooku was holding back.

well then he was really smart wasn't he? He paid with his life for being a dumbass who was holding back. Much like ((The_Anomaly)) has stated, GL said Anakin won fair and square and what happened next? ANAKIN WON......FAIR AND SQUARE! Dooku, for being so superior sure got his ass kicked.