Because the man is a genius. Iron Man has beaten more than his fair share of people that he shouldn't have even had near a chance with. With one hour prep, he'd be able to figure out the biological makeup of the Flash. Also, he's got a huge amount of resources at his fingertips. He's one of those types that beats everyone through 2 ways, being his intelligence, and he has all the angles covered. Tony Stark is equal to Batman possibly in covering all the angles.
Originally posted by Marcus4600
Because the man is a genius. Iron Man has beaten more than his fair share of people that he shouldn't have even had near a chance with. With one hour prep, he'd be able to figure out the biological makeup of the Flash. Also, he's got a huge amount of resources at his fingertips. He's one of those types that beats everyone through 2 ways, being his intelligence, and he has all the angles covered. Tony Stark is equal to Batman possibly in covering all the angles.
True ...Stark is a genius (and one of my favorite characters, although posters like Tony Stark make me detest the name at times ....quickly moving on).
LOL.
Tony Stark has a rep for either taking down people he shouldn't have (eg Hulk with Hulkbuster), or having the potential to take down people he shouldn't be able to (eg Thor with Thorbuster armor).
However for the 'prep' to work he has to have some assistance .....for instance the Hulkbuster armor was specifically made to deal with someone with the strength level of the Hulk, and Stark knew all that was to be known about the Hulk.
The ThorBuster armor was made with the help of Thor himself (to be used in case he -Thor- went rogue), and infact Thor gave the most vital part of the armor .....the Asgardian magical element that powered the armor.
Thus in this case too Stark had a serious level of background information (and direct assistance from Thor himself).
Which is where I find a flaw in your argument.
You say that in an HOUR'S TIME that Stark will have known the biological makeup of the Flash.
How!?!?
Please tell me ONE way he would be able to do that.
Secondly even if he got a blood sample from the Flash, all he would have is a blood sample from Wally West. It wouldn't allow him to even conceptualize something like the Speed Force exists.
Now,let's say Wally went and sat with Stark and told him everything about the SpeedForce, well ....how would Stark be able to dissipate the SF?
The SF is oriented as a primary force in DC, something akin to a metaphysical 'gravity.' How will Stark deal with that?
And in an hour!
As I stated in the other posts, the Flash could be standing at the farthest point in the globe from Stark. Wally could be at the North pole, while Tony is at the South pole ....and West would still be able to take out IronMan before Stark could even process a single thought!
How would Tony deal with such speed?
That is the reason I posted the scans .....someone who can move that fast in 0.00001 of a second, making an average 200,000 trips (each 70miles ....35 miles from the city, and 35 miles back to the city) is moving at a speed that is hard to conceptualize.
The Flash is a walking plot device, and the only way Tony can take him out is through PIS/CIS.
Sans PIS/CIS there is precious little Stark can do.
It is not impossible to defeat Wally, however (barring PIS/CIS) it requires a character that either has :
- a higher speed capability (eg Zoom)
- an extremely fast (though slower than the Flash) speed capability that is augmented by other assorted (and highly potent) powers (eg Superman/Supergirl)
- cosmic level power/abilities that either directly negate Flash's abilities, or are simply so far beyond them that it really matters little how fast the Flash can go (eg Imperiex)
WITH PIS/CIS defeating the Flash becomes far easier. For example Deathstroke has defeated the Flash (by, of all things, stabbing him with a sword.....he also managed to kneecap Impulse by shooting him). Thus it can be seen that with PIS the Flash can be stopped.
Thankfully lately DC has been making a good number of Flash's villains more 'serious,' and apart from a few cases (eg Captain Boomerang in Infinity Crisis, although they even toughened him up, and Gorilla Grodd in the animated cartoons) Flash's villains have been quite powerful.
A smattering of the more 'interesting' include Neron (Lord of Hell), Savitar (named after the Hindu god of speed), Zoom ('fastest' man alive), Grimm (lord of an ethereal world of magic), and Cobalt Blue.
This makes more sense, since a character with the ability levels of the Flash even bothering with a Gorilla Grodd is rather puzzling.
Anyways ....can Iron Man win?
Simple answer ....yes! He can. Tony Stark can beat the Flash.
However the ONLY way he can do that is through PIS/CIS.
I repeat ....the only way Stark can beat the Flash is through plot induced stupidity.
Because if Flash is written ANYWHERE NEAR his full capability, the fight will end before it even begins. Before Stark can have a single thought.
Originally posted by Marcus4600But, Flash taps into his power, time stops for Tony [not being able to process on that level.], Tony goes motionless, and Flash hits him with a rock that gains the mass of a star by the time it hits his armor.
You make a good argument. Props to the Flash, but I still think that Tony could win. He doesn't need a blood sample though. Check out the specs on his new armor sometime. It's amazing.
KO.
Flash is in a different league.
This guy can wave his arm and make hurricanes and shit.
How much do the opponents know about each other b4 the fight? IM could be prepping all wrong/in a vacuum if he has no foreknowledge of Flash's abilities. That said: Flash wins first coupla bouts. But with each fight, IM learns more and more about who/what he is up against and starts devising Flash-specific means of countering, which means at some point the tide turns in IM's favor.
Originally posted by MindshipSee forum rules about 'general knowledge'
How much do the opponents know about each other b4 the fight? IM could be prepping all wrong/in a vacuum if he has no foreknowledge of Flash's abilities. That said: Flash wins first coupla bouts. But with each fight, IM learns more and more about who/what he is up against and starts devising Flash-specific means of countering, which means at some point the tide turns in IM's favor.
Tony can't even realise what's going on before its all over.
Originally posted by Murda Mase
Plus Wallys pretty dumb....well thats how most writers write him.Thats why alot of villians can hit him and sometimes beat him and that happens to much to be pis/cis.
Villains I know that can punch a prepared Wally West (excluding PIS): Top (deceased), Zoom, and Speed Demon (Won't be seeing him again).
Out of that list, Zoom is the only current villain who is capable of this feat.
Clever writers get around this by using sneak attacks against Flash, wide-range attacks (Mr. Element used rain), intricate traps, and admittedly a fair amount of PIS.
Lazy writers use the "Flash is stupid" theory where he slips, trips, or even runs on the surface of the moon a la Supergirl #5.
I'd kinda like to know just how IM is going to be spending his one hour of prep, since so far all I'm hearing is that the end result is that he'll be flying and he'll have some Flash killing weapon. Granted Stark is a genius, but can we really just go ahead and assume that he'll be able to invent some device to defeat a very powerful enemy he knows very little about?
Originally posted by nigel45
Villains I know that can punch a prepared Wally West (excluding PIS): Top (deceased), Zoom, and Speed Demon (Won't be seeing him again).Out of that list, Zoom is the only current villain who is capable of this feat.
Clever writers get around this by using sneak attacks against Flash, wide-range attacks (Mr. Element used rain), intricate traps, and admittedly a fair amount of PIS.
Lazy writers use the "Flash is stupid" theory where he slips, trips, or even runs on the surface of the moon a la Supergirl #5.
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Captain Cold
Heat Wave
Mirror Master II
The Trickster I
Weather Wizard
Gorilla Grodd
I've seen them all touch flash without sneak attacks.
Even the fake Captain Cold got his ass without a sneak attack.
Wally is pretty much always writen where hes stupid even Johns wrote him like that.
Originally posted by Murda Mase
🤨Captain Cold
Heat Wave
Mirror Master II
The Trickster I
Weather Wizard
Gorilla GroddI've seen them all touch flash without sneak attacks.
Even the fake Captain Cold got his ass without a sneak attack.
Wally is pretty much always writen where hes stupid even Johns wrote him like that.
Notice I said punch. Beams and other forms of projectiles were not included in my list.
None of those people you listed could ever stare Wally in the face and physically attack him without PIS.
Originally posted by spetznaz
True ...Stark is a genius (and one of my favorite characters, although posters like Tony Stark make me detest the name at times ....quickly moving on).
LOL.Tony Stark has a rep for either taking down people he shouldn't have (eg Hulk with Hulkbuster), or having the potential to take down people he shouldn't be able to (eg Thor with Thorbuster armor).
However for the 'prep' to work he has to have some assistance .....for instance the Hulkbuster armor was specifically made to deal with someone with the strength level of the Hulk, and Stark knew all that was to be known about the Hulk.
The ThorBuster armor was made with the help of Thor himself (to be used in case he -Thor- went rogue), and infact Thor gave the most vital part of the armor .....the Asgardian magical element that powered the armor.
Thus in this case too Stark had a serious level of background information (and direct assistance from Thor himself).Which is where I find a flaw in your argument.
You say that in an HOUR'S TIME that Stark will have known the biological makeup of the Flash.
How!?!?
Please tell me ONE way he would be able to do that.Secondly even if he got a blood sample from the Flash, all he would have is a blood sample from Wally West. It wouldn't allow him to even conceptualize something like the Speed Force exists.
Now,let's say Wally went and sat with Stark and told him everything about the SpeedForce, well ....how would Stark be able to dissipate the SF?
The SF is oriented as a primary force in DC, something akin to a metaphysical 'gravity.' How will Stark deal with that?
And in an hour!As I stated in the other posts, the Flash could be standing at the farthest point in the globe from Stark. Wally could be at the North pole, while Tony is at the South pole ....and West would still be able to take out IronMan before Stark could even process a single thought!
How would Tony deal with such speed?
That is the reason I posted the scans .....someone who can move that fast in 0.00001 of a second, making an average 200,000 trips (each 70miles ....35 miles from the city, and 35 miles back to the city) is moving at a speed that is hard to conceptualize.The Flash is a walking plot device, and the only way Tony can take him out is through PIS/CIS.
Sans PIS/CIS there is precious little Stark can do.It is not impossible to defeat Wally, however (barring PIS/CIS) it requires a character that either has :
- a higher speed capability (eg Zoom)
- an extremely fast (though slower than the Flash) speed capability that is augmented by other assorted (and highly potent) powers (eg Superman/Supergirl)
- cosmic level power/abilities that either directly negate Flash's abilities, or are simply so far beyond them that it really matters little how fast the Flash can go (eg Imperiex)WITH PIS/CIS defeating the Flash becomes far easier. For example Deathstroke has defeated the Flash (by, of all things, stabbing him with a sword.....he also managed to kneecap Impulse by shooting him). Thus it can be seen that with PIS the Flash can be stopped.
Thankfully lately DC has been making a good number of Flash's villains more 'serious,' and apart from a few cases (eg Captain Boomerang in Infinity Crisis, although they even toughened him up, and Gorilla Grodd in the animated cartoons) Flash's villains have been quite powerful.
A smattering of the more 'interesting' include Neron (Lord of Hell), Savitar (named after the Hindu god of speed), Zoom ('fastest' man alive), Grimm (lord of an ethereal world of magic), and Cobalt Blue.
This makes more sense, since a character with the ability levels of the Flash even bothering with a Gorilla Grodd is rather puzzling.Anyways ....can Iron Man win?
Simple answer ....yes! He can. Tony Stark can beat the Flash.
However the ONLY way he can do that is through PIS/CIS.
I repeat ....the only way Stark can beat the Flash is through plot induced stupidity.Because if Flash is written ANYWHERE NEAR his full capability, the fight will end before it even begins. Before Stark can have a single thought.
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Flash most definitely. It's only been now that after extremis that Tony's armor's reaction time got a boost and even then, his reaction time is <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<than how fast could move.
But perhaps if Stark could come up with some sort of gizmo to counter that and automates faster than flash, maybe he'll make this a fight.
Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Flash most definitely. It's only been now that after extremis that Tony's armor's reaction time got a boost and even then, his reaction time is <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<than how fast could move.But perhaps if Stark could come up with some sort of gizmo to counter that and automates faster than flash, maybe he'll make this a fight.
Nah , no matter how fast tony makes his armour it's still only a machine and can't compare to the raw power that the speedforce channels into the flash.