Why the poor saber style?

Yes that's great you know how to make someone feel stupid and unimportant just to make yourself look better if i wanted to make a thread about an issue that bothers me then i will you dont have to reply

when i say that i can make a better saber i am just messing around as i could not think of many character traits

and finaly if this topic has been discussed so many times how come your the only arse hole who cares ?

plus if you look at my posts the majority of them are just for a laugh i dont actually mean a lot of what i say

this forum has been going since 1999 so does it not surprise you that every discussion has been discussed

Originally posted by craft-a-saber
in TPM the only one with a cool fighting style is maul how do you explain that?

Maul was a young Sith...fast and muscular, and he wielded a double bladed saber (most excellent)...

but I have to disagree with the only cool fighting style...Obi, in the final battle with Maul was great and matched him move for move (until the force push), including, blocking a thrust while in somersault above Maul's head, and slashing the double bladed saber in half....

the real problem with the difference between the OT and the PT? Time.

The fights in the OT were slower and more measured, like the Japanese Samurai films that had influenced GL in the first place.

Lucas had become a force of nature and he had people falling all over themselves to work for him, including stunt work people who had grown up with and were influenced by Star Wars. I don't know everything about Nick Gillard, but he is definitely a good stunt sword fighting choreographer...younger and more knowledgable than the initial fight coordinator...

this had it's good points and it's bad points. although the fights were more dynamic and faster, they still had such fine tuned choreaography (to keep the fights in frame), that they looked "staged" which took away some of the thrill of the lightsaber fights in the PT.

Originally posted by ShadowKing
Maul was a young Sith...fast and muscular, and he wielded a double bladed saber (most excellent)...

but I have to disagree with the only cool fighting style...Obi, in the final battle with Maul was great and matched him move for move (until the force push), including, blocking a thrust while in somersault above Maul's head, and slashing the double bladed saber in half....

the real problem with the difference between the OT and the PT? Time.

The fights in the OT were slower and more measured, like the Japanese Samurai films that had influenced GL in the first place.

Lucas had become a force of nature and he had people falling all over themselves to work for him, including stunt work people who had grown up with and were influenced by Star Wars. I don't know everything about Nick Gillard, but he is definitely a good stunt sword fighting choreographer...younger and more knowledgable than the initial fight coordinator...

this had it's good points and it's bad points. although the fights were more dynamic and faster, they still had such fine tuned choreaography (to keep the fights in frame), that they looked "staged" which took away some of the thrill of the lightsaber fights in the PT.

yeah your right when you think about it obi1 was pretty cool in the final battle i stand corrected

as well you should mate! 😛

...and don't be too annoyed by some of the posters who take personal shots at ya....

the more you show it bothers, the worse it'll get.

I also agree that some fights look staged...it's really strange when in episode II Anakin gets his arm chopped off...it looks like he is waiting for it to get chopped off...if you also slow down the speed you can see that he even opens his arms before it is chopped off.

the fight of Obi-Wan vs. Anakin in ROTS doesn't look staged tho IMO. It's more rough and violent, which I think makes it look less staged than the previous fights. There's also more variety. Like Anakin strangling Obi-Wan. the crawling on that tower. in some scenes it looks staged tho like the floating platform

thanks for the advice

it doesn't bother me in the sence that he is taking a pop at me it just does my head in because people are here to debate star wars topics but you have got people here that are out solely to piss people off

i suppose you get the odd few on all forums

cheers again though SK

you should check viewaskew...if you think these people are hard...lol

No I don't have a problem with you debating topics,.. nor am I here to piss anyone off.

(I used to be a n00b, too. 😉 )

It's actually me who gets pissed off, when new folks join, come in here, and think its like a bunch dudes sittin at a table talkin SW, and just start posting shit. (it always happens)

I had to learn how these boards work,and you will too, I'm sure. 🙂

I'm not as old school as some, but I've been here almost two years, so try to think of my (and many others who won't post, or even look at the thread) dismay of reading stuff that has already been hashed over and over again.

That said, enjoy these boards, as they can be quite fun. 🙂

(Just try to look around a little more, and read a little more before you post.)

Originally posted by Cascador
I also agree that some fights look staged...it's really strange when in episode II Anakin gets his arm chopped off...it looks like he is waiting for it to get chopped off...if you also slow down the speed you can see that he even opens his arms before it is chopped off.

A lot of the fights get killed, I think, in the editing process...that's why Anakin appears like he's going to be a badass in AOTC and then gets pwned so quick...also why Sidious just rears back and stabs Agen Kolar like that

Obi and Vaders fight in ROTS was a better paced fight, filmed well (except for the control room scene where they flail their swords around and force push each other, and the magic saber hilt scene - another bad edit) and set in a dynamic environment....

the floating robots being just in the right place near the lava falls edge at the same time as they were needed was too much of a bad writing construct, and I was never really satisfied with the way Obi Wan slices Anakin in pieces in mid air....how was he able to get one arm and both legs without hitting his body?

I had always assumed Vader lost his limbs in his fall into the lava...burned limbs would have been surgically removed and replaced with cybernetics...the scene never seemed right to me at that point.
Obi saying "...I have the high ground..." was short hand for, I have the tactical advantage, but Anakin was still so fast and powerful...

As it's been stated before, the PT is set during the prime of the Jedi - their skills with lightsabres and the force are at their best. We have also found that there are many forms of sabre combat - look up many Jedi and Sith characters on Wikipedia; the extensive bios detail what discipline they used. Count Dooku had a style all his own, because he's a devotee of Form II, which is sabre-on-sabre combat; like a fencer. It helped give him an advantage over most. Obi-Wan and Anakin were heavy on forms IV & V.

And yes, there were more technical limitations for Lucas in the original trilogy, but it's set post-Jedi. Vader isn't as agile as he once was, but made up for it with great power in his strikes. He also hasn't fought a Jedi in many years, until Obi-wan crossed his path again. Luke has to find his own way with limited instruction on sabre technique - but we see he's progressing through TESB and to the end of ROTJ, where he's leaping around much like the PT Jedi.

Of course, it would be nice if the sabre battle in ANH wasn't so stiff - it was the first one put to screen. If Lucas is doing further tweaks, for the release of the six-film DVD set, I would encourage him to add several seconds to that duel. With the head-replacement CGI FX they used for Christopher Lee and Ian McDiarmid, they could easily film a stand-in of Alec Guiness (it helps that Obi-Wan's hood is up during the duel) and a skilled stunt man in Vader's suit; intercut it with the other action, and jazz up that sequence. Go for it!

I agree, i think that GL could jazz it up a bit but don't you think that conbdradicts with what you said? i am a noob but if vader has become sluggish and out of practise with his saber skills then it will look rubbish if he is jumping around and slicing the crap out of obi one... i mean i would love to see it but it would be too treacherous to the story line and the progression of time within the series

i agree with pretty much everything you have just said except that lucas should modify any of the originals for the 6 dvd box set witch by the way i heard was going to initially be in high definition

Originally posted by sithsaber408
No I don't have a problem with you debating topics,.. nor am I here to piss anyone off.

(I used to be a n00b, too. 😉 )

It's actually me who gets pissed off, when new folks join, come in here, and think its like a bunch dudes sittin at a table talkin SW, and just start posting shit. (it always happens)

I had to learn how these boards work,and you will too, I'm sure. 🙂

I'm not as old school as some, but I've been here almost two years, so try to think of my (and many others who won't post, or even look at the thread) dismay of reading stuff that has already been hashed over and over again.

That said, enjoy these boards, as they can be quite fun. 🙂

(Just try to look around a little more, and read a little more before you post.)

yeah you are sooo right i mean it is definately better if new members dont post there oppinions and just do what you do randomly pick out a noob and try to demoralise that person if it kills you but seriously keep telling your self that you have a point and eventually one person will believe you

these boards are for peoples oppinions based upon "canon" evidence

if a star wars book(novel) is approved by GL then surely
it is canon

I don't agree that every book that George Lucas approved is canon...I don't expect that he reads them all...they are just approved by lucasfilm...not by George Lucas himself...maybe they just say so, so that it makes the book more attractive to customers.

Originally posted by Cascador
I don't agree that every book that George Lucas approved is canon...I don't expect that he reads them all...they are just approved by lucasfilm...not by George Lucas himself...maybe they just say so, so that it makes the book more attractive to customers.

Which is beside the point, becuae even if he approved the book, and then goes on to contradict it with the movies....

The movies trumps the books.

Always

But I don't have to tell you that Cas... 😛

Originally posted by Cascador
I don't agree that every book that George Lucas approved is canon...I don't expect that he reads them all...they are just approved by lucasfilm...not by George Lucas himself...maybe they just say so, so that it makes the book more attractive to customers.

Originally posted by craft-a-saber
i see your point but to be honest without GL telling us what is and is not canon how can anyone else decide i dont think the moderators can they can say that are oppinions have to be based on canon facts but they can only give guidelines on what is canon making any arguments alot more difficult

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f38/t20461.html

yes i have read that and to be honest a moderator cant decide what is and is not canon he puts a list of rules up and stops daft threads like this one

what kind of arsehole posts a thread like this anyway

ME thats who!!!

Originally posted by craft-a-saber
yes i have read that and to be honest a moderator cant decide what is and is not canon he puts a list of rules up and stops daft threads like this one

what kind of arsehole posts a thread like this anyway

ME thats who!!!

If you read the whole thing then you would know that it gives a very CLEAR description of what is, and isn't cannon.

It gets the description from Lucasfilm, itself, straight off of SW.com, the "official" site of the whole SW saga.

(I'm sure then that you read the part about "any material not specifically written by george lucas, or seen in the movies, is not cannon."😉

Since you already read it, right?

or another way to say it:

Perhaps a far simpler and more handy view of canon was made far more recently when a question about continuity arose on the Official Site:

"When it comes to absolute canon, the real story of Star Wars, you must turn to the films themselves - and only the films. Even novelizations are interpretations of the film, and while they are largely true to George Lucas' vision (he works quite closely with the novel authors), the method in which they are written does allow for some minor differences."

Originally posted by sithsaber408
If you read the whole thing then you would know that it gives a very CLEAR description of what is, and isn't cannon.

It gets the description from Lucasfilm, itself, straight off of SW.com, the "official" site of the whole SW saga.

(I'm sure then that you read the part about "any material not specifically written by george lucas, or seen in the movies, is not cannon."😉

Since you already read it, right?

or another way to say it:

Perhaps a far simpler and more handy view of canon was made far more recently when a question about continuity arose on the Official Site:

"When it comes to absolute canon, the real story of Star Wars, you must turn to the films themselves - and only the films. Even novelizations are interpretations of the film, and while they are largely true to George Lucas' vision (he works quite closely with the novel authors), the method in which they are written does allow for some minor differences."

yet cascador said that GL probably does not read the books

and despite them being canon or not they are used as aids in almost every thread on this forum

i don't often visit the official star wars website but i do read an awful lot of star wars disputes and arguments thats how i came across this forum and the point i am trying to make is while a lot of people post threads/replies on this forum based on canon evidence alot of people also go by the book

and i cant remember how we got on to the discussion about weather or not a novel is canon because my thread is about screenplay which you dont see in a novel