U.S. Port Security Run by UAE?

I just hope people realize that it's not only the states involved, as shocking as that is, there's also ports in Vancouver, Britain, France, and Buenos Aires that this company is going to take over. Not to mention they already control ports in Australia, China, India, Venezuela, etc.

"The reaction in the United States has occurred in no other country in the world," Mr. Bilkey said.

In my opinion, it's a business like any other kind. These aren't some people off a back alley wanting to buy these ports so they could smuggle in terrorists. It's a well respected global company, that has done and will probably do the same thing in many other countries, the states are not the first.

Not to mention, they've shown more than a small share of concern by allowing the states to run their security checks and such even though they were supposed to take over on Thursday already.

And even without Arabs running these ports yet, the security is already sorely lacking, so instead of accusing the businessmen, who are most likely in it for the money, of terrorism, I think the states should really first take a look at the security measures they employ now and people should realize just how unsafe they already are in their own country, and not use the whole potential terrorism thing as a cover for their own personal prejudice against Arabs.

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Originally posted by jaden101

strange though that many of these people are absolutely against branding all arabs/muslims as potential terrorists...yet this is exactly what seems to be going on in this thread...albeit it in "coded speak"

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/opinion/orl-hanania2606feb26,0,3518317.story?coll=orl-opinion-headlines

and here is how low the right will stoop.
whether or not you bring this up for the sake of irony,
or if you really are that toolish i dont know.

yes thats right. the UAE was blacked out of the 9-11 report and
are suspected of helping to fund attacks on u.s. soil and past attacks on u.s. troops and embassy bombings,
they dont recognise isral as a state but however respect al quada
as a political entity. aned bush's family just happens to have long standing ties with them which im sure have nothing to do with anything since its all just coincidence.

but you're right jaden. its bigotry and racism. how dare anyone just assume that they are the UAE just because they are the UAE. its all just coded speek. right. ok. thanks for playing.

I think it'S really sad in the US, the liberal people hat Bush soo much that they oppose everything he does (or doesn't). Isn't that just a Business deal like any other? What is wrong with it?

whats wrong with it?
not paying attention?

Originally posted by PVS
whats wrong with it?
not paying attention?

Guess I am not. What happened. Did a country take over your ports? Or a Company? And who gave the ports? Were they sold? And what exactly is the big deal anyways?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Guess I am not. What happened. Did a country take over your ports? Or a Company? And who gave the ports? Were they sold? And what exactly is the big deal anyways?

gee, i dont know. maybe some day when im on fire from radiation burning ill reply to this post in a more debatable fashion and we can explore this supposed separation of business and politics when the two go hand in hand.

Originally posted by PVS
and here is how low the right will stoop.
whether or not you bring this up for the sake of irony,
or if you really are that toolish i dont know.

yes thats right. the UAE was blacked out of the 9-11 report and
are suspected of helping to fund attacks on u.s. soil and past attacks on u.s. troops and embassy bombings,
they dont recognise isral as a state but however respect al quada
as a political entity. aned bush's family just happens to have long standing ties with them which im sure have nothing to do with anything since its all just coincidence.

but you're right jaden. its bigotry and racism. how dare anyone just assume that they are the UAE just because they are the UAE. its all just coded speek. right. ok. thanks for playing.

first off...they postponed INDEFINITELY the purchase of the company that currently owns the ports

secondly...the company has owned and operated ports throughout the world including Los Angeles for years...any terrorists brought in dirty bombs through there yet?...no

quite simply you are branding the owners and operators, and even worse, the people who work at the ports as somehow being involved in terrorist activity.

given that its highly improbable that even if the DPA did take over some east coast ports...they aren't going to sack all the employees and employ a bunch of al qaeda sympathisers

of course this is all beyond your comprehension and once again when you've been shown to be a hypocritical idiot you resort to genius comments and insults such as "toolish"

you also like to accuse the Bush administration of scaremongering yet you are pretty much saying that this company are actually proactively trying to get terrorists into America to kill people

thats scaremongering lies if ever i've seen it

Originally posted by PVS
gee, i dont know. maybe some day when im on fire from radiation burning ill reply to this post in a more debatable fashion and we can explore this supposed separation of business and politics when the two go hand in hand.

Reading the thread probably adviseable at this point, Bardock.

As for the thread itself: I find myself in the position of people like PVS and KharmaDog, dumbfounded.

That said, security here in the UK isn't exactly asstight. Whilst I believe the police force did a tremendous job of bringing the terrorists responsible for the July 7th bombings to justice, it's gone downhill from there. On the tube especially, you can sometimes just walk through ticket barriers without being monitored.

It's unacceptable.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Reading the thread probably adviseable at this point, Bardock.

As for the thread itself: I find myself in the position of people like PVS and KharmaDog, dumbfounded.

That said, security here in the UK isn't exactly asstight. Whilst I believe the police force did a tremendous job of bringing the terrorists responsible for the July 7th bombings to justice, it's gone downhill from there. On the tube especially, you can sometimes just walk through ticket barriers without being monitored.

It's unacceptable.

-AC

Now, now, lets be realistic, how many people died in acts of terrorism in the last couple years? You probably have a better chance to be killed by a falling coconut.
Oh, and I read the Thread. There's not sa single piece of Information. Just people repeating how stupid Bush ios, and what an ass Bush is and as if we didn't know even how dumb Bush is.....

Would be nice to know what he did, just to see, if it is one of the "Lets hate Bush" threads or one of the "Bush really pulled a stupid, again" threads.

The US ports were bought by a company that apparanty likes Al Quada... People are pissed off over it.

And in a way I can see there point, however to think that all the employees of the company are corrupt and that people will now be using US ports to smuggle in terrorist or weapons, or do so more then before is IMO foolish, a company has to live to. There are probably very few bussines man that would risk losing a contract like that just to kill some random people they don't know.

So infact one company bought the rights for the ports off another company? I can't see how anyone can complai about that. I mean although Bush is certainly the Devil, to allow one company buy another is one of the most liberal things one can do.

good news for P&O

Originally posted by furryman
good news for P&O

indeed...Dubai ports world owns 70% of the shares for P+O

hey...i own shares in P+O too...guess that makes me a terrorist as well

well jaden, if your name was blacked out of a few pages of the official 9-11 report by the administration, you were suspectied of helping fund the attacks, you refused to witness isreal as a state but at the same time respected al qaeda as a legitament political body, and your brother just happened to mastermind terrorist attacks including 9-11 and a leader of al qaeda as well...i still wouldnt just label you a terrorist for the sake of due process. however i would have certain reservations about allowing you and your business partners run the most sensative area of u.s. with regards to importing potential WMDs and other security hazards. maybe its just me being an arab hater

...or perhaps just a matter of me exhibiting greater common sense than that of a carrot. maybe you should give this 'common sense' thing a try, and see if it suits you.

Originally posted by Fishy
The US ports were bought by a company that apparanty likes Al Quada... People are pissed off over it.

oh we dont know that they like them. all we know is that they recognise them. so perhaps they simply recognise a political entity and forsake all political passions in order to remain objective and neutral....unless of coarse its isreal, because why should they have to recognise the evil empire of the jews 🙄

Originally posted by PVS
well jaden, if your name was blacked out of a few pages of the official 9-11 report by the administration, you were suspectied of helping fund the attacks, you refused to witness isreal as a state but at the same time respected al qaeda as a legitament political body, and your brother just happened to mastermind terrorist attacks including 9-11 and a leader of al qaeda as well...i still wouldnt just label you a terrorist for the sake of due process. however i would have certain reservations about allowing you and your business partners run the most sensative area of u.s. with regards to importing potential WMDs and other security hazards. maybe its just me being an arab hater

...or perhaps just a matter of me exhibiting greater common sense than that of a carrot. maybe you should give this 'common sense' thing a try, and see if it suits you.

oh we dont know that they like them. all we know is that they recognise them. so perhaps they simply recognise a political entity and forsake all political passions in order to remain objective and neutral....unless of coarse its isreal, because why should they have to recognise the evil empire of the jews 🙄

so you ARE saying that DPA is corrupt and involved in terrorism?

mmm

think you better go and check your facts about the company before making those kinds of accusations

perhaps you should just quietly leave this thread safe in the knowledge that you've been shown up again...like you did with the guantanamo thread and the iraq civil war thread

off you pop son

Originally posted by jaden101
so you ARE saying that DPA is corrupt and involved in terrorism?

mmm

think you better go and check your facts about the company before making those kinds of accusations

perhaps you should just quietly leave this thread safe in the knowledge that you've been shown up again...like you did with the guantanamo thread and the iraq civil war thread

off you pop son

so you ARE putting words in my mouth dispite a directly contradicting post?
how weak and lame! 😱

and a self declaration of victory with an addition to other made up victories from other threads. would you like to post some 'pwned' pics? would be just as relevant.

:edit: oh and before you squeek this out your back end:
"think you better go and check your facts about the company before making those kinds of accusations" please post any contradictory evidence on the UAE, before making such a claim and wasting my/your/everyone's time. kthx

Originally posted by PVS
so you ARE putting words in my mouth dispite a directly contradicting post?
how weak and lame! 😱

and a self declaration of victory with an addition to other made up victories from other threads. would you like to post some 'pwned' pics? would be just as relevant.

why not flip the argument on it's head...

couple of question...would you let Northern Ireland run your ports?

why run your own ports given that American has had it's own record of in house terrorism...timothy mcveigh...is he representative of all americans?

lets not forget the fact the DPA also carries cargo from many other middle eastern countries which would give the US intelligence on those countries shipping details

if it was merely the risk of foreign countries running US ports then its surprising there was no uproar about the japanese, singapore, danish and UK companies that also run US ports...hell even the chinese government owns companies which run US ports...i dont see any uproar about a communist superpower running US ports

do you forget about the US being allowed to use the UAE for staging missions in the war of terror...including against al qaeda in afghanistan?...this includes the permanent housing of the US 5th naval fleet

whats even more bizzare is that if you'd bothered to find out the facts...DPW isn't taking control of any ports...merely some of the operating equiptment within the ports and thus any inspection of cargo for safety and security would still be carried out by the US themselves through the cities own resources and the US ports authority and dept of homeland security

quite simply you're trying to score point against Bush anyway to can because it's what you do...and quite frankly it's pathetic

In my opinion, one of the defining points in this debate is the future. I, personally, don't care about the past. It is irrelevent to me how this company has run it's operations in the past. But, this debate is less about this companies track record and more about teh defining words of the current administration. The Bush administration has repeatedly talked of how this world changed after 9/11 and it's behavior in this matter is contradictory to that soundbite. Forming massive government agencies to watch over our saftey and then they leave the ports in teh hands of a foreign nation!

I don't have any problems with people of Arabic descent, but the truth remains that it is people of Arabic descent that are responsible for the current waves of terrorism. And, this isn't the "code speak" we've been discussing recently. It's the truth. I live in San Francisco, but my family lives in North Carolina. So, I spend a lot of time flying across this country. I hate to admit to it, but every time I am standing in line to board a plane and I see more than one Arabic man standing in line, my stomach tightens.

If there is a foreign company, ANY FOREIGN company, running our ports, then this administration has failed the people of this nation. Not only has it failed the people of this country, but it has lied to the people of this country.

Originally posted by jaden101
why not flip the argument on it's head...

couple of question...would you let Northern Ireland run your ports?

how is that possible? do you mean would i allow a u.k. company to run the ports? i guess so. so long as whichever organization was involved had no suspected ties to the i.r.a. or any other extremists....yeah why not. your point?

Originally posted by jaden101
why run your own ports given that American has had it's own record of in house terrorism...timothy mcveigh...is he representative of all americans?

but there are no direct ties between the governinment and mcveigh.
im still not sure the point you're trying to make, if any.

Originally posted by jaden101
lets not forget the fact the DPA also carries cargo from many other middle eastern countries which would give the US intelligence on those countries shipping details

well, al qaeda has the BEST intelligence on al qaeda, so let them run the ports instead.

Originally posted by jaden101
if it was merely the risk of foreign countries running US ports then its surprising there was no uproar about the japanese, singapore, danish and UK companies that also run US ports...hell even the chinese government owns companies which run US ports...i dont see any uproar about a communist superpower running US ports

never expressed any comfort over china having a hand in u.s. port operations and security. the only comfort i see is that they wouldnt dare disrupt ties with the u.s. since we both thrive off of eachother, and such mutual economic prosperity is not based on a single, inevitably obsolete and eventually expendable resource. no, i still dont find comfort...but the idea lacks the feeling of immediate threat as is the case with this imho.

Originally posted by jaden101
do you forget about the US being allowed to use the UAE for staging missions in the war of terror...including against al qaeda in afghanistan?...this includes the permanent housing of the US 5th naval fleet

after the fact they that initially refused to cooperate with the treasury dept when investigating 9/11 funding which went through the UAE banking system. but i guess that never happened, like all my other lies although:

-"The United Arab Emirates was one of only three countries that recognized the Taliban militia as the legitimate rulers of Afghanistan in the 1990s" -AP

-"The Saudis, officially and privately, sent millions of dollars to the Taliban, and Pakistan was instrumental in the rise of the Taliban in the early 1990s, helping fund and organize the militia. The Emirati government did not provide such large official aid, though private individuals did give an unknown amount of funds. Before the Sept. 11 attacks, Emirati officials would often go to Afghanistan as guests of the Taliban to take part in hunting and falconing trips."

http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=500&sid=709086

-(from an official UAE site, mind you) "The three entry requirements of obtaining a visa in the United Arab Emirates (UAE) and its seven emirates (Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Sharjah, Ajman, Umm Al Quwain, Ras Al Khaimah, and Fujairah) are that you are not a citizen of Israel, that your passport doesn't contain Israeli stamps, and that your passport is valid for at least 6 months before your arrival. Information about the various UAE visa categories are explained in detail below."

http://guide.theemiratesnetwork.com/living/visa.php

Originally posted by jaden101
whats even more bizzare is that if you'd bothered to find out the facts...

...said the pot to the kettle

Originally posted by jaden101
quite simply you're trying to score point against Bush anyway to can because it's what you do...and quite frankly it's pathetic

whats pathetic is calling me a liar based on nothing, and the way you will avoid the fact that i just squashed your claim utterly.

whats pathetic is being a coward and trying to cop me out with a cheap PC mask, when you know damn well this has to do with the UAE's shadey politics and dealings and has nothing to do with religion nor skin color. i find your accusations of racism/religious bigotry intensely hypocritical and disgusting.