Hunter/Prey Doomsday vs. Zeus

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's the writer establishing what powers are needed to beat DD in a straight up fight. Many fans have misinterpreted DD's formidability in that arc.

Yes, and in comics, a Superman using a lot of his power has beaten a Multiverse crushing Darkseid, Doomsday, Dominus, most of the JLA, and so on and so forth.

Saying "Superman trying would win" is like saying the sky is blue, and honestly has no bearing on this fight.

I actually think Zeus would probably win eventually (though DD would do better than Hulk), but you should use better examples to help your cause.

Zeus.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Yes, and in comics, a Superman using a lot of his power has beaten a Multiverse crushing Darkseid, Doomsday, Dominus, most of the JLA, and so on and so forth.

Saying "Superman trying would win" is like saying the sky is blue, and honestly has no bearing on this fight.

I actually think Zeus would probably win eventually (though DD would do better than Hulk), but you should use better examples to help your cause.

Superman singing Darkseid out of existence is also specific to the plot of fc. Darkseid's mere existence threw ne reality of whack so his not belonging made this feat possible I don't see Superman just singing anyone out of existence.

Not Superman trying to win but going all out throwing his moral code to the curb. If Superman has the raw power to do so then so does Zeus. Zeus has always been consistently far more powerful than Superman is consistently portrayed so I see no fault with my reasoning here.

It's also difficult to debate against one character whose appearances only count in one arc where fans claim over and over only entropy could kill him when that obviously wasn't the case in the writer's own mind.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Their were extenuating circumstances to each of these. For one Superman changed his thought process from what I remember to combat Dominus' reality altering powers which made it far different from him just having the raw power to beat him.

Superman singing Darkseid out of existence is also specific to the plot of fc. Darkseid's mere existence threw ne reality of whack so his not belonging made this feat possible I don't see Superman just singing anyone out of existence.

Not Superman trying to win but going all out throwing his moral code to the curb. If Superman has the raw power to do so then so does Zeus. Zeus has always been consistently far more powerful than Superman is consistently portrayed so I see no fault with my reasoning here.

It's also difficult to debate against one character whose appearances only count in one arc where fans claim over and over only entropy could kill him when that obviously wasn't the case in the writer's own mind.

That's a bit of a reach, tbh.

Originally posted by -Pr-
That's a bit of a reach, tbh.

Doomsday.

Zeus.

Originally posted by Priest
Superman..Nuff said

Originally posted by -Pr-
Because I just want to be difficult.

What statements are you talking about anyway?

he's talking about some nonsensical interview that Jurgens had which was in direct contradiction with what he wrote on panel, and in other intereviews and write ups for TPBs.

Originally posted by quanchi112
My entire post or what exactly ?

You trying to use the fact that Jurgens believed Superman could win as some sort of gateway to use ABC logic.

Originally posted by jinzin
he's talking about some nonsensical interview that Jurgens had which was in direct contradiction with what he wrote on panel, and in other intereviews and write ups for TPBs.

Ah.

Straight up fist fight Doomsday wins!!!!

If Zeus is using his powers then Zeus wins this hands down.

In h2h Doomsday has a chance its a slim chance but he does better than Hulk and just about any other herald level brawler

Originally posted by jinzin
Who while amped by a mother box got DE-STROYED by DD?
😕

Originally posted by -Pr-
You trying to use the fact that Jurgens believed Superman could win as some sort of gateway to use ABC logic.

Ah.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Psychologically superman wasn't in his best state of mind for the fight.

Because it addressed what power is needed to kill DD once.

It addressed a theoretical percentage of Superman's power that has never been shown on panel. It's not quantifiable.

We use H/P feats as the primary argument. Writer statements can be used as back-up for said argument, but not as the springboard for one.

It's not enough.

Originally posted by -Pr-
It addressed a theoretical percentage of Superman's power that has never been shown on panel. It's not quantifiable.

We use H/P feats as the primary argument. Writer statements can be used as back-up for said argument, but not as the springboard for one.

It's not enough.

Actually if this fights starts close then HP DD easily wins. Otherwise, Zues can just BFR him. Without BFR, DD wins regardless if the fight starts at battle distance or from close range.
This fact lies in that he can evolve on the fly to resist anything under universal level.

Here's one example of his awesome durability, without even having to evolve resistance to the attack.

Remember when Superman, with ALL OF HIS MIGHT, tried to destroy the missiles that were going to land in the HP comic and couldn't put a SCRATCH ON THEM? Well Darkseid's OE simply disintegrated them with ease (instant vapor). Yet DD took those same beams and still destroyed Darkseid.

Originally posted by -Pr-
It addressed a theoretical percentage of Superman's power that has never been shown on panel. It's not quantifiable.

We use H/P feats as the primary argument. Writer statements can be used as back-up for said argument, but not as the springboard for one.

It's not enough.

While DD was apparently above Darkseid he didn't show the power or formidability to beat someone of Zeus' caliber.

Originally posted by h1a8
Actually if this fights starts close then HP DD easily wins. Otherwise, Zues can just BFR him. Without BFR, DD wins regardless if the fight starts at battle distance or from close range.
This fact lies in that he can evolve on the fly to resist anything under universal level.

Here's one example of his awesome durability, without even having to evolve resistance to the attack.

Remember when Superman, with ALL OF HIS MIGHT, tried to destroy the missiles that were going to land in the HP comic and couldn't put a SCRATCH ON THEM? Well Darkseid's OE simply disintegrated them with ease (instant vapor). Yet DD took those same beams and still destroyed Darkseid.

To add to your accurate post, the Omega Effect that Darkseid used on those missles came from him while weakened; Darkseid didnt regain his peak strength until later on against Henshaw...

In other words, a weakened version of the Omega Effect>>>>Superman's Power.

i actually see doomsday beating zeus up and killing him i think he will just keep cumming at zeus until he reach him and then physically he will murder him

Originally posted by quanchi112
Most of everything in comics isn't quantifiable my point was that a character more powerful than Superman should have the necessary power to kill DD once based upon jurgens statements about DD.

While DD was apparently above Darkseid he didn't show the power or formidability to beat someone of Zeus' caliber.

Except that it's not admissable as proof.