Originally posted by w00t2112
Look if you add Sith to the Factor, i'll add some too, placing Ragnos and Kun into the Star Forge Army is likely to turn the war in their favour, ie Ragnos's Scepter sucking the force from the humans amongst the Imperial Fleet.
Is there any proof that Ragnos has the ability to do that? And the idea that Ragnos and Kun will alone be able to turn the tide of this war against the Galatic Empire is one of the less intelligent ones I've heard recently.
Originally posted by Kaithen
The imperial stormtrooper wearing heavy armor, equipment as grenades and high tech weapons, they are clones of jango fett.The old republic pwns the star forge with some ships and 3 jedis.... DUH
Dont forget the death star, it would blow the shit out of the star forge in some seconds
The Imperial stormtroopers do not heavy armor, and they aren't clones of Jango either. And three Jedi? One of those was Revan, the most powerful Jedi of that time and another was using battle meditation to help either the republic or the Sith fleet..
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Is there any proof that Ragnos has the ability to do that? And the idea that Ragnos and Kun will alone be able to turn the tide of this war against the Galatic Empire is one of the less intelligent ones I've heard recently.
Despite that DE Sidious who was far inferior to either Ragnos and Kun, could summon a Force Storm ( common technique ) to rip up a Republic Fleet, means that Ragnos likely to conjure up something even more impressive, or, ragnos does a Naga Sadow and creates an Illusion of a Sith Armada effectively confusing the Galatic Empire, as well, Kun was able to freeze thousands of people, in a potential like this Ragnos/ Kun most likely will replicate the Feat effectively immobilising the Imperial Fleet. Remember if they are all Jango Fett's, then i suppose its fair to add the Mandalorian Army to the Star Forge Army.
Originally posted by w00t2112Yeah that'd be fair. (Rolls eyes) And by the time of ROTJ, most of the stormtroopers in the GE were regular recruits.
Despite that DE Sidious who was far inferior to either Ragnos and Kun, could summon a Force Storm ( common technique ) to rip up a Republic Fleet, means that Ragnos likely to conjure up something even more impressive, or, ragnos does a Naga Sadow and creates an Illusion of a Sith Armada effectively confusing the Galatic Empire, as well, Kun was able to freeze thousands of people, in a potential like this Ragnos/ Kun most likely will replicate the Feat effectively immobilising the Imperial Fleet. Remember if they are all Jango Fett's, then i suppose its fair to add the Mandalorian Army to the Star Forge Army.
And I doubt that DE Palpatine was too inferior to Kun. And Force Storms are common? How often were they used?
And I know this ain't my thread, but adding the most powerful Force users in history to the mix will tip the balance of any battle. And since both the SF armies and the GE are affiliated with the Sith, adding Sith to one side but not the other is very unfair.
Originally posted by ESB - 1138
So a planet destroying weapon wouldn't phase the suncrusher?
Originally posted by Tangible God
Yeah that'd be fair. (Rolls eyes) And by the time of ROTJ, most of the stormtroopers in the GE were regular recruits.And I doubt that DE Palpatine was too inferior to Kun. And Force Storms are common? How often were they used?
And I know this ain't my thread, but adding the most powerful Force users in history to the mix will tip the balance of any battle. And since both the SF armies and the GE are affiliated with the Sith, adding Sith to one side but not the other is very unfair.
Ok, add Revan and Exar Kun to the Star Forge Side and add DE Sidious and Darth Vader to the GE Side.
Superior techonolgy is countered by Superior Superweapons
Sheer numbers is countered by pure skill.
The Force Storm technique can be used by anyone, thats just saying that because Ragnos never demonstrated a force push it means he cant? however the scale and and the power of difference Force Storms varies, and considering Kun was superior to DE Sidious, it is likely he can conjure up a massive force storm, but consider that if the writer's wrote that, it'll be a mere copy from the DE book, hence they thought of different feats.
I don't doubt that the Ancients didn't have the power to, but there's been no suppotive evidence to say that they actually COULD.
Vader (Suit-Vader I'm assuming) would do diddily squat against the others. Though he'd still provide an asset.
DE Palpatine's Force Storm would utterly ravage the SF fleet, and since, as said above, no other Sith has been proven to perform, much less counter, the Force Storm, it would be safe to assume that Palpatine would pull off a few of those babies before Revan and Kun could figure out how to block it. And I think I'm being a little generous there.
And true, if you have the upper tech., then the weight of numbers is balanced a bit. But you're forgetting just how BIG the Empire was. Tens of 1000's of Star Destroyers, the Executors, literally countless other craft, likely billions of men and recruits. Combine that with their heavily superior tech. and the SF's are screwed.
The only hope that even Revan and Kun would have, is to keep the Star Forge secret to the utmost degree. And I don't know whether you're counting the Star Forge shield or not, but if you are, then the SF ain't going anywhere, and eventually, that shields comin' down. If you're not counting it, then it still needs to be hidden and placed on a sun reliable anough to support its demands. And also in a location where the men needed to man the ships, wouldn't attract attention due to their sudden absence.
The only true hope is the Sun Crusher. The Sith will get seven shots from it, (but even that won't destroy the Empire's forces) then they'll be forced to either replicate (a lengthy researching process [decades likely]) the torpedoes, or steal their blueprints from the unknown Maw. And since it IS an Imp. weapon, they'll likely be able to find away around it's quantam armor.
In conclusion, the Imps would be on a run for their money with the Sun Crusher, but ultimately, I see the SF losing in the end.
Ok, add Revan and Exar Kun to the Star Forge Side and add DE Sidious and Darth Vader to the GE Side.
Revan deosn't do much. He's really not powerful enough to do much of anything. Revan does have great tactical ability, his only real use in this situation other then his battle meditation. Thrawn is a much better tactician then Revan and could easily defeat Revan even if Thrawn didn't have far superior ships and far more numerous ships then Revan. Revan also have battle meditation, but it's nothing next to Sidious, who was able to use battle meditation on at least 100 ISD and a SSD at the same time. There are rumors that point to Sidious being able to use battle meditation on the entire Imperial Star Fleet at the same time. That's right, all 25,000,000+ ships.
Exar doesn't do a ton for the SF side either. He could potentially freeze the crew memebers of a few ISD's, but his ship would get blown apart in the mean time by other Imperial Ships.
Vader, he doesn't mean much.
DE Sidious is the only one who has shown the ability to use the force storm ability that can destroy capital ships. No one else has demonstrated knowledge of this technique. DE Sidious destroys whatever enemy ships get near him.
The Empire also has Joruus out on Wayland. Joruus is capable of taking control of several Leviathan-class ships at the same time with his force powers. That's right, unlike Exar or Ragnos he can take control of the ships rather then just freeze them. In a fleet of, say ten SF style ships Joruus could take control of half of them and have the ships that he's taken attack the rest of the SF sides' ships. The SF ships are pwned.
I'm assuming that the SF side still has Ragnos. Let's say that he has double the mind control power of Exar, which is generous to say the least. That means he could freeze the crew members of about 40 ISD's while his ships hammer away. Pretty impressive.
Superior techonolgy is countered by Superior Superweapons
What are you talking about? The GE has FAR, FAR, FAR better superweapons. Not only is there the Deathstar, but the Imperial Navy also has a Sun Crusher of it's own, the Galaxy Gun, mutiple World Devastators, the Tarkin, the two half finished Death Star's in Orbit over Coruscant, four Soverign-class Star Destroyers almost finished(each one can render a planet uninhabitable in a single shot), two Eclipse Star Destroyers(each one can render a planet uninhabtable in a single shot), mutiple Night Cloaks, the ability to cloak ships, and a cloning facilty capable of turning out 20,000 fully trained, battle ready clones every three weaks. That several times faster then even Kamino.
By the way, the Imperials have shipyards capable of producing ships many, many, many times faster then the Star Forge. The Star Forge is WEAK next to the Imperial war machine in production capability.
The Force Storm technique can be used by anyone, thats just saying that because Ragnos never demonstrated a force push it means he cant? however the scale and and the power of difference Force Storms varies, and considering Kun was superior to DE Sidious, it is likely he can conjure up a massive force storm, but consider that if the writer's wrote that, it'll be a mere copy from the DE book, hence they thought of different feats.
Horrible logic, woot. The force storm ability that Sidious used has NEVER been replicated by ANYONE. Force push has. What Revan was using in KOTOR was NOT the same force storm abilty that Sidious used, Revan's was merely Sith lightning.
And incase anyone hasn't heard, the Sun Crusher is far from indestructible. If it tries to ram the Death Star or even an ISD it will get caught in the hull of the ship that it is ramming and be stuck, out of the fight. Also, turbolasers from an ISD are able to damage it slightly. Furthermore, once the rest of the SF side is destroyed it will have no where to refuel or restock. Within a week or two it will run out of fuel, life support, and blaster gas. At that time it is no longer working and the SF side has lost.