Green Goblin versus Deathstroke

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Dammit, why the hell do people still bring those flash vs. DS feats?

[b]IT'S FRIGGIN PIS PEOPLE!!

Slade like someone already said reacts as fast as his thought. Yes that' considered superspeed no doubt. But how on earth would that warrant him to catch Flash on foot.

Jeez...............

Sorry, i just have to rant about that. But for the love of god, those are the flashes, not just some minor speedster like pietro.....

And as for the winner of the fight, it's Slade. Not because of his physical stats but because of his superior weapons. [/B]

No it's still considered PIS. Much like Flash's opponents catching him while speeding several times. I like Slade, but i really have a problem when some DC guys pull off Pre crisis stunts like that or suddenly become immune to the speedblitz argument cause he caught him some time.

And the 10x thing was in the early issues of Deathstroke, he got several upgrades since then. After his first death and revival everyone was remarking how he was faster stronger and better than before.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
No it's still considered PIS. Much like Flash's opponents catching him while speeding several times. I like Slade, but i really have a problem when some DC guys pull off Pre crisis stunts like that or suddenly become immune to the speedblitz argument cause he caught him some time.

When Thanos shot at Galactus and it knocked him backwards through this his ship, no one claims it was PIS when we know for a fact that A]Galactus would have seen it coming, and B} stopped it wtih ease. No they just say, "It's a good showing for Thanos."
Well. It's a good showing for Deathstroke.. all dozen or so times.

Yeah, and i guess that speed would have warrant him to be kick batman's ass before he can blink or pwn cassandra or catch nightwing before he can escape.

The upgrades didn't mention the just how much it improved him. It could be higher, but then again it might just be a minor upgrade. But even if he did, it still doesn't look basing on his normal appearance against other non-flash combatants that's it's anywhere near Wally's or Bart's speed.

Originally posted by Juntai
Nah, he can hang with Flash for a short distance, provided one's not going all out. Flashes aren't ALWAYS moving beyond lightspeed. I agree, Flash CAN just purely outrun him. But him catching them making mistakes due to his good planning is by no means PIS.

When Thanos shot at Galactus and it knocked him backwards through this his ship, no one claims it was PIS when we know for a fact that A]Galactus would have seen it coming, and B} stopped it wtih ease. No they just say, "It's a good showing for Thanos."
Well. It's a good showing for Deathstroke.. all dozen or so times.

WTF? i don't mean to rude or anything but how in the world is it similar to Thanos showing? Galactus got knocked backwards, so what? he's still a physical being afterall. That doesn't mean it actually hurt him that much. And thanos was also at his mercy at the end when he busted the several layers of shielding he erected. How is that not accurate?

The showing with Kid flash on the other hand had him practically catching a speeding Kid flash. Totally absurd considering how fast any Flash's reaction time should be.

And even if you say the flashes doesn't always travel at lightspeed, their average speed is still a lot faster than any enhanced human can cope with.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Yeah, and i guess that speed would have warrant him to be kick batman's ass before he can blink or pwn cassandra or catch nightwing before he can escape.

The upgrades didn't mention the just how much it improved him. It could be higher or lower. But even if he did, it still doesn't look basing on his normal appearance against other non-flash combatants that's it's anywhere near Wally's or Bart's speed.

But since you mentioned it...
If you read the fight between him and Batman he was like "Why am I trying to fight like this is even? I'm faster than him, stronger than him" and it was over pretty quickly after that point. This was also when he was still weak with fluctuating powers.

And his upgrades could be higher or lower?
I'm sure the fact they[even himself] were saying he was faster and stronger and better were indeed not a lowering of his skill set. lol.

In the end, Deathstroke is just out of GG's league. And if you compare feats, it will attest to certain victory. GG can't beat Spiderman... and Deathstroke is a team wrecker.

I didn't vote for GG here either but i really don't see any reason that his Flash vs. him feats could be credible. Anything else is feasable as long as the it doesn't really compares to SMvFl(he didn't even used an equipment to catch Bart, not even a trap. Just a plain gun and his speed and for wally his sword on IC). Either way i do think Norman is underrated but neverthless go down due to inferior equipment.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
WTF? i don't mean to rude or anything but how in the world is it similar to Thanos showing? Galactus got knocked backwards, so what? he's still a physical being afterall. That doesn't mean it actually hurt him that much. And thanos was also at his mercy at the end when he busted the several layers of shielding he erected. How is that not accurate?

The showing with Kid flash on the other hand had him practically catching a speeding Kid flash. Totally absurd considering how fast any Flash's reaction time should be.

And even if you say the flashes doesn't always travel at lightspeed, their average speed is [b]still a lot faster than any enhanced human can cope with. [/B]

And, Deathstroke's reaction speed is comparable. He sees the world in slow motion. He's said it himself.

He's impecibly fast. Remember the scene in the Matrix fighting amongst the pillars? That was a near ripoff of a Deathstroke comic where he fought Cheshire's highly trained mercs in the practice room after coming back to life..

I'm not saying he runs lightspeed or anything. [Though his mind acts like a superspeedster.] His steps and reactions are very fast however. He's showed OVER and OVER and OVER again that can hang with Flashes for long enough to drop one. It's not really arguable imo.

Outrun one though? No, that'd be dumb.

Originally posted by Juntai
If you read the end of my post, about "good showing for deathstroke", you'd know why I used the comparison. I know he didn't harm Galactus really, I read the comics. It was a good showing for Thanos.

And, Deathstroke's reaction speed is comparable. He sees the world in slow motion. He's said it himself.

He's impecibly fast. Remember the scene in the Matrix fighting amongst the pillars? That was a near ripoff of a Deathstroke comic where he fought Cheshire's highly trained mercs in the practice room after coming back to life..

I'm not saying he runs lightspeed or anything. [Though his mind acts like a superspeedster.] His steps and reactions are very fast however. He's showed OVER and OVER and OVER again that can hang with Flashes for long enough to drop one. It's not really arguable imo.

Outrun one though? No, that'd be dumb.

Once again yes, it's all true. DS indeed is fast and his world is in slowmo.

But Kid Flash is still significantly faster specially considering he was on a desperate run during the time Slade caught up with him. He's even faster than Jay Garrick for crying out loud.

I saw that feat with Cheshire's men and i have to say it's quite impressive, but that's still far far below than what a flash could acomplish accordingly.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Once again yes, it's all true. DS indeed is fast and his world is in slowmo.

But Kid Flash is still significantly faster specially considering he was on a desperate run during the time Slade caught up with him. He's even faster than Jay Garrick for crying out loud.

I saw that feat with Cheshire's men and i have to say it's quite impressive, but that's still far far below than what a flash could acomplish accordingly.

LOL GL is one plot after another with ridiculous feats all the time with a ring, same with SM now we get DS and people whine about his feats against a flash🙂 Nice so what get over it DS has shown time and time again to not nec be faster but his mind can keep up and predict and take them out as juntai said not because he is faster though.

That said GG perhaps is an undervalued character but DS stomps him flat.

riiiiiiiiiight.

A single meta-grenade and green goblin is dead (again) until some other moronic writer rapes the franchise enough to bring him back again !

Not that I'm trying to push the fight one way or the other because I made the thread out of curiosity but GG has his scriers as well.

Scriers are useless. They don't have power whatsoever and their tech is advanced though negligable due to them not having what it takes to use them effectively.

Originally posted by Juntai
Now you're confusing writing a good story vs combat feats. Enemies even occasionally get away from Flash.... Deathstroke is an example. 😉

But since you mentioned it...
If you read the fight between him and Batman he was like "Why am I trying to fight like this is even? I'm faster than him, stronger than him" and it was over pretty quickly after that point. This was also when he was still weak with fluctuating powers.

And his upgrades could be higher or lower?
I'm sure the fact they[even himself] were saying he was faster and stronger and better were indeed not a lowering of his skill set. lol.

In the end, Deathstroke is just out of GG's league. And if you compare feats, it will attest to certain victory. GG can't beat Spiderman... and Deathstroke is a team wrecker.