Silverspider/Dizzle's Team Tournament: SemiFinal Fight 1- Khellendros vs. Blair Wind

Uh huh. Point out an instance when Powerhouse or any of Power Pack created a gravity field large enough to cover half a square mile. Oh, wait, you CAN'T.

And once again, you're going by the bloody bio and nothing else. You really HAVEN'T read much with Crystal in it, have you? Frostbite will have her frozen LONG before she can create anything more than a minor tremor. Besides, Frostbite doesn't have to be standing to drain your heat. He doesn't even have to SEE you, he can sense you like any other heat source.

Originally posted by Khellendros
Uh huh. Point out an instance when Powerhouse or any of Power Pack created a gravity field large enough to cover half a square mile. Oh, wait, you CAN'T.

dont have to point one out, when the fact is IF my fields arnt big enough, I can get to you faster than you can blink through my mach speeds. Faster than Frostbite or Light can react. Mach speeds rule 😈

Dude my arsenal is bigger, my attacks are more varied, my team is faster, and my versitility better. 😄

And once again, you're going by the bloody bio and nothing else. You really HAVEN'T read much with Crystal in it, have you? Frostbite will have her frozen LONG before she can create anything more than a minor tremor. Besides, Frostbite doesn't have to be standing to drain your heat. He doesn't even have to SEE you, he can sense you like any other heat source.

good for him. Too bad hes fried 😉

The thing is, fire is meant to distract him. Lots of it. Im not gonna want to be burnt with fire if I can just absorb whats around me. So he starts absorbing around him instead of trying at me. earthquake and tornado happen at the same time. OR i could just take all the oxygen out with my precise wind control (and with the scan where she is a "living air filter" she could do that in a thirty mile radius. Imagine half a mile ) you have 15 SECONDS of a fogging brain, pain like that of a heart attack, your every organ straining for that precious oxygen. then I can just burn you with lava. Gravity fields are holding you down and your being burnt like chicken at a barbaque.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
dont have to point one out, when the fact is IF my fields arnt big enough, I can get to you faster than you can blink through my mach speeds. Faster than Frostbite or Light can react. Mach speeds rule 😈

Originally posted by Khellendros
BLIND. Dude, BLIND. What part of YOUR ENTIRE TEAM IS BLIND and half a mile away from my team are you not getting? You just proved your gravity wielders can't effect that wide an area, because there IS no instance of them effecting a alrge area. No, the deal is that their gravity changing works in a small area around themselves. Your powers are usless and you're freezing to death in less than a second. That's all there is to it.

Dude its a long range attack. The limit of that size is not known. However, the fact that I move at mach speeds, faster than YOUR LIGHT CAN REACT, gives me the advantage. I can get to you before you can attack me IF the need arises. Look at GL, he wasnt even moving. Mach speeds get to you before you can pull off you little turn off the lights move. Thats all there is too it

also crystal could do this she could very easily affect the INSIDE'S of grail's armor and Lights too. she manipulated the inside's of sue's forcefields -- she withdrew the oxygen from her force field and made sue have to drop it. she could do the same to grail and light. Or just a general half circle raduis of half a mile in your direction.

Originally posted by Khellendros
Seriously? He has yet to prove Crystal has ANY noticeable advantage over base humans, much less a superhuman who can use heat to amp his own stats.

You wanna see what it takes to max out Frostbite's heat absorption levels? The guy trying to burn him is Burnout, who is a Human Torch type with comparable feats (burning through uber durable materials, extreme control over his own flames, flying at high speeds etc). Look at the amount of energy Frostbite is purging, and you ask yourself if you HONESTLY think Crystal can produce MORE than that much energy in a split second, because it would take than what you see in that scan to put him out.

He has posted no speed or reaction time feats, no durability feats, nothing to prove that she's faster. Even if she IS a little bit faster, she CANNOT produce enough heat to push Frostbite to his limit before his attack effects her.

She is blind in this fight. He hasn't disputed that at all, because he CAN'T. Do you seriously think that her Inhuman speed is going to help when the first few seconds would be spent in confusion over suddenly being blinded?

He's posted nothing about Grail, whose shields can stand up to anything his weakened and blinded team can throw at him.

As well as his symbiote.

And they have NO DEFENSE WHATSOEVER against his chi blasts.

He's got a bunch of human durability characters whose only defense is their ability to use their powers efectively. Once they are blinded and freezing, they are defenseless as newborns. It doesn't matter if Crystal is slightly faster, Frostbite can take any flames she can ditch out. It doesn't matter how many people he has on his team if they can't see where their enemies are. Logically, I don't see how you can vote for him when he can't actually back up any of his supposed "counterpoints" and I can back up every single one of my claims with hard evidence.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
However, the fact that I move at mach speeds, faster than YOUR LIGHT CAN REACT, gives me the advantage.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Grail? Sure, they only time he has shown someone trying to hold on to Grail was through physical force. I however have two things he doesnt, wind control x2 and Gravity Frields x3. I can effectively throw him "wicked" hard 😈

Also the fact that Crystal can suddenly make any earthquake on the scale of 6.7 on the Richter scale would disorient him enough to be able to attack him in anyway possible. Its not about harming him at that point but about making him scared, confused, and greatly disoriented. Fire and heat steam, and lava reaches you faster than you think. The purpose of the scan in the other fight was to again show that she can lif things of much greater density. All these things will overpower frostbite, and Burnout is a poor mans Human Torch.

Also take into account there is a tornado going on at the same time. Thats 115 mph combined with fire, a sudden and unexpected earthquake, and while they are being thrown around like ragdolls by gravity, I can just take all the oxygen out, and since lava doesnt need oxygen they are effectively burned and since they did not get a chance to hold their breath a few minutes and you will lose conscouisness. You will also experiance pain, and lots of it. Burning alive, and the fact that dying with no oxygen has been compared to the pain of a heart attack, your whole body straining to get some precious oxygen.
According to this (its the closest thing I could find) having no oxygen whatsoever would leave you unconsious in as little as 15 seconds

http://science.howstuffworks.com/question540.htm (very first bulletin)

remember that the bulletin is not related to the other bulletins, it is its own effect of not having oxygen, not combined with any of the others (or the fact that its in space, simply the fact that you have no oxygen) You will still be alive, but unable to do anything at all.

The fact that Im blind plays no role in the fact that your still straight in front of me. Im gonna lash out. Thats what people in fights do. so yes I did see where they where and can attack in the general direction. You have no where to run to we are in an arena. I can just attack a widespread attack, and effect all of you. Also considering that Crystals attacks have worked inside Invisible Womens bubbles, I see no reason why this wouldnt my powers being as widespread as they are, once my tornado effects light, and his concentration goes away, I couldnt attack inside his sheilds and burn him alive. Gravity x3 is also an important factor in just "shoving" all your memebers backwards and placing them firmely on the ground with no way of getting up.

fine with me I can do the same plus this stuff--

Dude I have three gravity FIELDS. let me emphasis that FIELDS. Ok now think with me. I do not need to pinpoint your characters. The whole damn field is under my control. I have three of them. I can push anything within that field anyway I want. I do a SHOVE of the field, and then press down HARD. with three fields up you will be immobile. period. YOUR still gasping for air. 15 seconds done with and your unconsous. period

the earthquake is due to her being able to shift the tectonic plates suddenly at a richter scale of 6.7. Seems to work for me

dont have to point one out, when the fact is IF my fields arnt big enough, I can get to you faster than you can blink through my mach speeds. Faster than Frostbite or Light can react. Mach speeds rule

Dude my arsenal is bigger, my attacks are more varied, my team is faster, and my versitility better

good for him. Too bad hes fried

The thing is, fire is meant to distract him. Lots of it. Im not gonna want to be burnt with fire if I can just absorb whats around me. So he starts absorbing around him instead of trying at me. earthquake and tornado happen at the same time. OR i could just take all the oxygen out with my precise wind control (and with the scan where she is a "living air filter" she could do that in a thirty mile radius. Imagine half a mile ) you have 15 SECONDS of a fogging brain, pain like that of a heart attack, your every organ straining for that precious oxygen. then I can just burn you with lava. Gravity fields are holding you down and your being burnt like chicken at a barbaque.

The limit of that size is not known. However, the fact that I move at mach speeds, faster than YOUR LIGHT CAN REACT, gives me the advantage. I can get to you before you can attack me IF the need arises. Look at GL, he wasnt even moving. Mach speeds get to you before you can pull off you little turn off the lights move. Thats all there is too it

also crystal could do this she could very easily affect the INSIDE'S of grail's armor and Lights too. she manipulated the inside's of sue's forcefields -- she withdrew the oxygen from her force field and made sue have to drop it. she could do the same to grail and light. Or just a general half circle raduis of half a mile in your direction.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
falso crystal could do this she could very easily affect the INSIDE'S of grail's armor

Originally posted by Khellendros
Prove it. Even if you go blind only halfway across the field, you're STILL blinded, and that much closer to Grail. And, the whole time you're flying, you're being frozen. You are screwed.

dude its part of my powers. Powerhouse moves at mach speeds. Can any of your characters say the same? Mach speeds generaly trumps human reaction speed. Which happens to include Frostbite. Hes gonna freeze something moving at mach speeds like a cannonball coming at him? he wont be able to do that. The whole time Im flying hes busy thinking "I need to fre......" and he gets thrown around like a rag doll.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
dude its part of my powers. Powerhouse moves at mach speeds. Can any of your characters say the same? Mach speeds generaly trumps human reaction speed. Which happens to include Frostbite. Hes gonna freeze something moving at mach speeds like a cannonball coming at him? he wont be able to do that.

Moving like a cannonball? Try moving like a missile. He absorbed all the heat from fourteen different rockets exploding at the same time, meaning it was instantaneous.

two things i'm not clear on, khell -- since it appears frostbite WILL be burning, wouldn't he need to absorb the fire FIRST before attacking bw's team?

secondly, since it appears bw's team IS blind, if light is set on fire and ko'd or asphyxiated or burned to death (unless frostbite absorbs HIS fire too making it seem like it would be even HARDER to attack bw's team -- on second thought he'd still suffocate anyway, wouldn't he?) don't the effects of light's power stop? ie -- if light dies, wouldn't bw's team be able to see again?

Originally posted by Khellendros
Yeah, actually. Grail flies across the country pretty damn fast. And Light doesn't need to move at Mach speeds, just drain your optic nerves.

Moving liek a cannonball? Try moving like a missile. He absorbed all the heat from fourteen different rockets exploding at the same time, meaning it was instantaneous.

missle cannonball, same difference.

A) Im just saying grail wont get to me if I already have the field up while moving at mach speeds
B) Light wont have the time to make me blind before I get there.
C) Frostbite made a sheild and waited until they hit him. Gravity is a lot different than explosions of missles.

Combine that with Crstals powers, 15 second oxygen drain, lava and earthquake, Id have to say hes being attacked from so many angles thats he wont be able to half the things your saying.

Originally posted by leonidas
two things i'm not clear on, khell -- since it appears frostbite WILL be burning, wouldn't he need to absorb the fire FIRST before attacking bw's team?

secondly, since it appears bw's team IS blind, if light is set on fire and ko'd or asphyxiated or burned to death (unless frostbite absorbs HIS fire too making it seem like it would be even HARDER to attack bw's team -- on second thought he'd still suffocate anyway, wouldn't he?) don't the effects of light's power stop? ie -- if light dies, wouldn't bw's team be able to see again?

Second: how exactly is Light going to suffocate when they can't see him to attack him?

Originally posted by Blair Wind
missle cannonball, same difference.

A) Im just saying grail wont get to me if I already have the field up while moving at mach speeds
B) Light wont have the time to make me blind before I get there.
C) Frostbite made a sheild and waited until they hit him. Gravity is a lot different than explosions of missles.

Combine that with Crstals powers, 15 second oxygen drain, lava and earthquake, Id have to say hes being attacked from so many angles thats he wont be able to half the things your saying.

a) Grail can blast you from outside the field, problem solved.

b) It's instantaneous. He thinks about it, and it's done.

c)...That doesn't even make sense. Of course he waited, he can't absorb heat from the future. The point is, when they did explode, he absorbed the heat before it could damage his shield.

15 second oxygen drain? You don't even have an entire second. And who are you talking about?? Everyone on my team is doing one thing. Light is blinding you, Frostbite is freezing you and Grail is blowing you to dust.

your focusing it on the fact that I cant see you, ok thats fine. Its too bad I already have your general direction. I know where you where. Powerhouse got there and are in the air shoving down HARD before you could do anything.

2 Crystals are doing a GENERAL attack in your GENERAL direction (and with three Powerhouses having made you immobile you will still be there) Oxygen drain takes 15 seconds of pure pain and loss of cordination, and cognative skills. Fire overwelming you, plus an earthquake, and lava. Id think hed reach his limit, Light would be
A) burned
B) uncousiues

Frostbite would be glowing and about to burst
and Grail would be thrown into the the ground

and have grail throw his chi at me. Chi is energy pure and simple. Suits me just fine. I can absorb it. Problem very solved

Originally posted by Blair Wind
your focusing it on the fact that I cant see you, ok thats fine. Its too bad I already have your general direction. I know where you where. Powerhouse got there and are in the air shoving down HARD before you could do anything.

2 Crystals are doing a GENERAL attack in your GENERAL direction (and with three Powerhouses having made you immobile you will still be there) Oxygen drain takes 15 seconds of pure pain and loss of cordination, and cognative skills. Fire overwelming you, plus an earthquake, and lava. Id think hed reach his limit, Light would be
A) burned
B) uncousiues

Frostbite would be glowing and about to burst
and Grail would be thrown into the the ground

Light has been blasted with starbolts, cyborg's sound blasts and punches from multiple superstong characters and kept going and that was WITHOUT visible shields. Nothing you can do in the half a second you have to live is going to hurt him.

Dude.....serouisly none of the pics you have shown, show that he can cover half a mile in ONE second. The pic I have shown shows her in ONE panel taking a THIRTY mile radius and manipluting it. Half a mile is nothing to her. Powerhouse can cover the distance, throw you, DISOREINT you (meaning you lose all concentration whatsoever) grail can through all the energy he wants at me and please have grail throw his chi at me. Chi is energy pure and simple. Suits me just fine. I can absorb it. Problem very solved.
and light got take out by Cyborg. Oxygen drain is much more different that a "strong" character and taking hold of him through gravity is much more different than physically grabbing him

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Dude.....serouisly none of the pics you have shown, show that he can cover half a mile in ONE second.

one panel, thiry miles. Seems to say alot. 😉

I really am sorry I dont have more scans tho. Doesnt make my claims any less valid takeing into account the scans I HAVE shown and the abilities stated in bios.

I agree that if something is said on bio, you don't need to prove it with scans (In these matches). This is a really hard match to choose from. It would be nice if you could continue for a bit more...but the deadline seems to be close.

I, however lean a bit to Blair Winds side. This is so close that a few hours of debating could change it all, but as for now, BW gets my vote.

No hard feelings. 😬