Ulic Quel Droma versus Tott Doneeta, Cay Quel Droma and Oss Wilum

Started by IKC2 pages

Numbers usually mean squat in a fight. Did numbers help the Jedi that confronted Sidious? No. Why? Because 1 + 1 does not equal 2 in fights like this.

The Dark Side has been shown to give people an edge. The only reason Luke ever even came close to a legitimate win over Vader, for example, was because he gave in to the Dark Side momentarily.

You cannot use that example. That was due to the fact that Sidous was too damn incredible. I know that when jedi work together, they have to adjust slightly so they can work as a team, but more numbers is still better. I know it doesn't exactly mean you multiply how hard it would be by 3, but 3 jedi are still better than one. These three would also be able to work well together as they went on many missions together.

Originally posted by IKC
Why do you always say "Sadow his" or "Exar his," anyway?

She scratched him because they were in close quarters, Exar taunted her, and she gave into the Dark Side. Exar was nowhere near his peak of power. Oss, however, was.

Given that Ulic was described as a master of the Lightsaber (along with Kun) during the duel at the end of DLotS, he can certainly take this trio.

So what? Mace was described as a lightsaber Master, so was Obi Wan, so was Dooku, Anakin was too at a time, so was Malak, so was Revan, so was well pretty much every Jedi with a name.. Being described as a master with that weapon means jack shit.

And Exar at that time when he was scratched and by the time he fought Ulic has not visibly improved. You said in the other thread you couldn't be sure. So Sylvar making Oss run, when there were other Jedi there as well does not speak against Oss. Also its an assumption to make Oss had reached his limits. And yeah the Dark Side gives an edge because of anger, a controlled Dark Side user does not have an advantage over a light side user. And a controlled Dark Side user is far more effective then a angry one, in the long run.

Ulic would fight three people, two of which trained and fought together, and one that was a reasonable Jedi probably. I don't see any real reason to say he would take this.

Exactly.

So what? Mace was described as a lightsaber Master, so was Obi Wan, so was Dooku, Anakin was too at a time, so was Malak, so was Revan, so was well pretty much every Jedi with a name.. Being described as a master with that weapon means jack shit.

Except everyone you mentioned actually were masters with the lightsaber. So how does it mean "jack shit?" Prove up.

And Exar at that time when he was scratched and by the time he fought Ulic has not visibly improved. You said in the other thread you couldn't be sure. So Sylvar making Oss run, when there were other Jedi there as well does not speak against Oss. Also its an assumption to make Oss had reached his limits. And yeah the Dark Side gives an edge because of anger, a controlled Dark Side user does not have an advantage over a light side user. And a controlled Dark Side user is far more effective then a angry one, in the long run.

Except she didn't make him run. She clocked him with a deactivated lightsaber even though he ambushed them with Dark Side beasts. Oss Wilum is a total puss, even when enveloped in the Dark Side.

Ulic would fight three people, two of which trained and fought together, and one that was a reasonable Jedi probably. I don't see any real reason to say he would take this.

Except we know jack shit about their combat abilities outside of Oss Wilum's crappy performance. Cay is never shown or said to be a particularly good fighter, nor is Tott. Why in the hell, then, would a very good fighter like Ulic lose to them, then?

Oss Wilum got schooled by Sylvar, who (as shown) was far and away worse than Ulic. Ulic saved his brother's ass in Freedon Nadd Uprising, was the only one that could penetrate Ommin's attack and take him out, was shown to stalemate Exar with a lightsaber, dominated Mandalore, and kicked major ass in the Beast Wars. If we're going by saber proficiency, he runs away with it. If we're going by the force, Ulic is one the described as a force prodigy, I see little evidence to suggest he isn't superior to any one of them in the force.

Again, the whole "let's pile on numbers thinking that they increase numerically" is BS. Ulic still takes this.

But Ulic was hardly better than Cay in that battle where he killed him. I'm not saying that you would multiply how difficult it would be for Ulic by 3, but more numbers are still harder to fend off.

He was hardly better? WTF? Where are you getting that?

He had to exert all of his power in to defeating him. Plus Cay was not trying to kill him. He wanted to save him from the darkness. Put it this way. Ulic would not have been able to defeat 2 Cays.

Uh, point to where he's "exerting all his power to defeat him." Cay wasn't even trying to defend himself, and he got his ass handed to him.

Ulic could have walked up nonchalantly to Cay and hacked his head off. You're pulling this "exerting all his power" thing out of thin air.