Originally posted by Soljer
Are you kidding me? A terminator - any terminator, even the old T-600's are far too fast, too strong, and way too skilled for logan to take on hand to hand.Much less with a friggin minigun! Terminator in a curbstomp, 10/10.
depends on how far they're standing apart
if they're 100 feet apart, then yeah, Terminator rips Logan to pieces with the minigun
jinzin, watch this clip of minigun in action
Originally posted by masterbruce
and you obviously are underestimating termindators aim and a minigun's powerlogan wont die, but I count all flesh ripped off as a KO
you're clearly underestimating Wolverine's sheer speed and reflexes... I mean my god, look at Battle Tide II him and Sabes takeon two guys with miniguns right off the bat.. the next time we see the team they're totally unscathed (costumes included)..
Wolverine's ran in on a damn Apache hellicopter so fast that it's minigun's targeting system couldn't even lock on to Logan.
Wolverine wasted Nuke EASILY who for all intents and purposes practically IS a terminator with a minigun...
Then we've got Wolverine closing the distance on Bushwacker who has a minigun arm and DD even comments on how Logan's "dodging all those bullets".
Plus multitudes of other feats that I could list or post and that I for sure know Soljer wants to see in the respect thread.. 😛
Wolverine isn't going to sit there and say gimme all you got from a distance...
Wolverine's going to close the gap or wait till Terminator runs outof ammunition.. you can't possibly say that terminator is winning this fight unless you are completely and utterly ignorant of Wolverine or if you're arguing that as a joke...
Originally posted by jinzin
you're clearly underestimating Wolverine's sheer speed and reflexes... I mean my god, look at Battle Tide II him and Sabes takeon two guys with miniguns right off the bat.. the next time we see the team they're totally unscathed (costumes included)..Wolverine's ran in on a damn Apache hellicopter so fast that it's minigun's targeting system couldn't even lock on to Logan.
Wolverine wasted Nuke EASILY who for all intents and purposes practically IS a terminator with a minigun...
Then we've got Wolverine closing the distance on Bushwacker who has a minigun arm and DD even comments on how Logan's "dodging all those bullets".
Plus multitudes of other feats that I could list or post and that I for sure know Soljer wants to see in the respect thread.. 😛
Wolverine isn't going to sit there and say gimme all you got from a distance...
Wolverine's going to close the gap or wait till Terminator runs outof ammunition.. you can't possibly say that terminator is winning this fight unless you are completely and utterly ignorant of Wolverine or if you're arguing that as a joke...
Good post and I still dont see how this debate is going on. 2 terminators loses this 10/10 and easily.
Originally posted by jinzin
Being hit by a being who flattens moutnains, buildings, and F'ing PLANETOIDS DOES MEAN a punch from Hulk would decimate a person into debris..A car wreck? Please.. A car runs into a 20 foot concrete solid wall, the far gets wrecked, Hulk's fist does the same thing, the wall gets wrecked... Hulk has the power to lift landscapes like a carpet.. You an't seriously cimpare the two. 🤨
Jinzin, I respect you a lot. You make a lot of sense sometimes.
But using ridiculous feats where Hulk destroys a planetoid twice the size of earth is beneath you man. You're better than that. That's what the super duper Hulk fanboys use in there arguments. Trust me, you won't see Hulk doing stupid sh$% like that again.
Also it was pointed out that Hulk never punches with the same force all the time. So just because he punched something with one type of strength doesn't mean he did to another. But it seems you're implying that he punched Wolverine with a strength anywhere in the proximity of him busting that planetoid. Which if you were then you would lose mad respect. For Wolverine would either be atomized by a punch like that and be easily knocked into the depths of space.
If Termie hits Wolvie with the mini gun....I think it could KO him.
It does pack lots of firepower and is being manned by a computer driven robot with super human skills....He makes Punisher look like a girl scout
If he runs out of bullets and Wolvie's still moving......Game Over. Wolvie wins.
Logic and physics say Wolvie could be KOed (if hit)......Would a KO be a win?
Does Wolverine have a healing factor?....It seems more like a re-generating factor.
Originally posted by h1a8
Jinzin, I respect you a lot. You make a lot of sense sometimes.
But using ridiculous feats where Hulk destroys a planetoid twice the size of earth is beneath you man. You're better than that. That's what the super duper Hulk fanboys use in there arguments. Trust me, you won't see Hulk doing stupid sh$% like that again.
Stupid shit? Comics are full of "stupid shit". That's what makes them a totally fictionalized media.. the overwhelming amount of BS that we as the consuming reader are forced to swallow on a daily basis.
But seriously, you act as if this is something that's far and wide outside the scope of even the suspension of disbelief that we're normally treated to..
But I ask, is this really that outstanding?
Gladiator has punched a planet into debris.
Superman, ripped a moon in half.
Thor punched with enough described force to destroy the earth.
Beta Ray Bill easily punched a planet into lifeless rock debris as well...
Hell, some characters rip through demensional fabric with their strength, and in terms of brute strength, Hulk's one of the most powerful characters running around out there..
However, you're missing the point entirely as it is...
I'm not using the example to validate Hulk's strength... We all know Hulk's probably the strongest if not THE strongest character to be meandering around on Marvel Earth.
What you're failing to realize however, is that the example was just an outliner to demonstrate Hulk's proposed strength..
It's enormous.. there's no logical way to argue that Hulk would hit a semi-human body and that body wouldn't also turn into debris.. (It's assinine to say that minigun bullets would shred logan to the bone when you consider first, his above average durability, and his ridiculously fast rate of healing...)
Then we have the fact that Wolverine's been shot with miniguns and worse already and simply waded through it..
Your whole argument is fundamentally based on ignoring evidence that doesn't fit into terms of real world logic no matter the fact that this type of thinking discredits itself when it's subjected to having been originated from a world in which logic only exists to a point.
Originally posted by h1a8
Also it was pointed out that Hulk never punches with the same force all the time. So just because he punched something with one type of strength doesn't mean he did to another.
True.. but we DO know that Hulk's strength at any given time is top tier in the Marvel Universe. When he's fighting Logan, he's trying to "SMASH LITTLE MAN!!!!"
It seems fairly obvious Hulk isn't holding back on Wolverine's behalf.
Originally posted by h1a8
But it seems you're implying that he punched Wolverine with a strength anywhere in the proximity of him busting that planetoid.
Again, it's an outliner of his strength.. You don't have to know that Hulk's punched a planetoid into debris to know he hits with more force and explosive power than any bullet. But it does help to get the pont across.
Originally posted by h1a8
Which if you were then you would lose mad respect. For Wolverine would either be atomized by a punch like that and be easily knocked into the depths of space.
Again.. OUTLINER... it's fairly obvious that ANY Hulk punch should completely obliterate a humanoid body....
So there must be a reason why he doesn't when he's hitting Logan...
Is it the rate of Wolverine's HF? Is it his Lupin heritage and borderline superhuman physiology? Who knows.. but we've seen Wolverine take explosive rounds, disintigration beams and lazers and get up, we've seen him pounded with automatic gunfire and waltz through it, we've seen him take force that "SHOULD" pulverize the flesh from his bones but continue to fight.. and your inability to grant Logan validity in doing what he's already shown to have done just makes your argument to be little more than a cop-out to subjective bias whether you realize it or not...
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Originally posted by yugotank
If Termie hits Wolvie with the mini gun....I think it could KO him.It does pack lots of firepower and is being manned by a computer driven robot with super human skills....He makes Punisher look like a girl scout
If he runs out of bullets and Wolvie's still moving......Game Over. Wolvie wins.
Logic and physics say Wolvie could be KOed (if hit)......Would a KO be a win?
Does Wolverine have a healing factor?....It seems more like a re-generating factor.
Well in most cases it won't so in most cases you're wrong.
Ummm excuse me? Do you even know who Punisher is? What's Terminators best feat besides being pounded on by everyone in the series?
Logic and physics take a flight out the damned window when you're dealing with comics so that doesn't avail you.
Originally posted by masterbruce
so, you're telling me that a weapon that can rip an armored tank to shreds won't rip Logan to shreds because of his enhanced durability? gimme a break
I'm saying enhanced durability is going to keep him from exploding off of his skeleton, and his healing factor will do the rest..
And give YOU a break? PUH-LEASE!
This coming from the same guy who thinks you can give Logan brain damage by shooting him through the eye, and compares Hulk punches to car crashes.. BWAHAHA!
Originally posted by jinzin
you're clearly underestimating Wolverine's sheer speed and reflexes... I mean my god, look at Battle Tide II him and Sabes takeon two guys with miniguns right off the bat.. the next time we see the team they're totally unscathed (costumes included)..Wolverine's ran in on a damn Apache hellicopter so fast that it's minigun's targeting system couldn't even lock on to Logan.
Wolverine wasted Nuke EASILY who for all intents and purposes practically IS a terminator with a minigun...
Then we've got Wolverine closing the distance on Bushwacker who has a minigun arm and DD even comments on how Logan's "dodging all those bullets".
Plus multitudes of other feats that I could list or post and that I for sure know Soljer wants to see in the respect thread.. 😛
Wolverine isn't going to sit there and say gimme all you got from a distance...
Wolverine's going to close the gap or wait till Terminator runs outof ammunition.. you can't possibly say that terminator is winning this fight unless you are completely and utterly ignorant of Wolverine or if you're arguing that as a joke...
I think Wolverine takes it as well my friend, hes faster and Terminator can't knock him out straight away. Also in the right environment he can avoid the bullets, (not the bullets the gun really) and get close enough and win. Using stealth should do it.
Oh yeah anyway clam down friend, your starting to sound like a ranting fanboy.
Respect Thread? When? 😱 Will it be set out like the Spidey one on Herochat? That would be awesome.
Originally posted by jinzin
Wow, it's actually lost on you that any one of Hulk's punches>>>>>Anything a mini gun dishes out.... 😐Look, find me the best feat a mini gun has.... Can you even do that?
That's a piss poor example since Spiderman's durability is far stronger against blunt force than it is against peircing weapons. Just like Thor and Wonderwoman.. you wouldn't argue they can't take heavy shots from Hulk though. 😬
Aside from that his spidersense and agility helps him to whether most of the blow by reacting to it to glance off him.. like batman or dd do with brick punches.
the only way the Hulk analogy is flawed is if you think that a man who's close to 25 tons in the strength department and has durability proportionate to his strength is the same as a man who's just an enhanced human. But since that's not the case, you're arguments shot as usual.
Again, the fact that you're honestly trying to compare the descructive force produced by a mini-gun and that by Hulk is ridiculous.. and all this is under the assumption: "IF THE BULLETS HIT HIM".
To make a point known. The damage is different. Wolverine gets knocked senseless from a punch but he has ONE place to heal. His brain 😉 or part of the body. With a mini-gun IF he gets caught by them, which he could if he does this wrong then he gets ripped to pieces and has his entire body to heal because once he goes shot just once or twice the gun will non stop hitting him till hes unconcious. So Wolverine 7/10...or maybe 8...but probably 7. 😄