Originally posted by masterbruce
it would be ridiculous for batman to dodge a bullethe's only peak human...
to dodge a bullet you need:
1. super reflexes to respond to bullet
2. super speed (or ability to move faster than a bullet)
which if you want to get technical all peak humans in comics have anyways since they're so fast that we don't have any experience that even compares with their kind of speed in real life.
Originally posted by masterbruceBatman has dodged bullets by sensing a change in air pressure from the "firing" explosion and he's evaded bullets by his quick, acrobatic movements.
it would be ridiculous for batman to dodge a bullethe's only peak human...
to dodge a bullet you need:
1. super reflexes to respond to bullet
2. super speed (or ability to move faster than a bullet)batman has neither
You're forgetting one important comic fact. Comic bullets job unless they hit an innocent person or progress a story.
Originally posted by jinzin
which if you want to get technical all peak humans in comics have anyways since they're so fast that we don't have any experience that even compares with their kind of speed in real life.
a peak human is at most 10x faster than a regular human, although more likely just 3 - 5x faster
a bullet is much faster than that
Originally posted by jinzin
Stupid shit? Comics are full of "stupid shit". That's what makes them a totally fictionalized media.. the overwhelming amount of BS that we as the consuming reader are forced to swallow on a daily basis.
Yes but there are levels of stupid sh$#. Trust me comics nowadays are no way as stupid as the ones many years ago. I actually think they are not that stupid now (IMO) for they are more science based than ever.
But I ask, is this really that outstanding?
Gladiator has punched a planet into debris.
Superman, ripped a moon in half.
Thor punched with enough described force to destroy the earth.
Beta Ray Bill easily punched a planet into lifeless rock debris as well...Hell, some characters rip through demensional fabric with their strength, and in terms of brute strength, Hulk's one of the most powerful characters running around out there..
Yes it is and along with Gladiator's and BRB's feat too. This is because in the majority of their history they haven't shown that level of ridiculous strength. Which contradicts not only their history but their defined powers (Hulk's strength grows in proportion to his rage and stress but was nowhere as angry when he did that feat than other times in which he was much weaker).
However, you're missing the point entirely as it is...He only has above average durability because of his HF and not the toughness of his skin. Now its clear that a minigun will shread the flesh off of Logan. It doesn't matter if its to the bone or not. Just enough to KO him.I'm not using the example to validate Hulk's strength... We all know Hulk's probably the strongest if not THE strongest character to be meandering around on Marvel Earth.
What you're failing to realize however, is that the example was just an outliner to demonstrate Hulk's proposed strength..
It's enormous.. there's no logical way to argue that Hulk would hit a semi-human body and that body wouldn't also turn into debris.. (It's assinine to say that minigun bullets would shred logan to the bone when you consider first, his above average durability, and his ridiculously fast rate of healing...)
Then we have the fact that Wolverine's been shot with miniguns and worse already and simply waded through it..
If that's true then I don't think there is an argument anymore (unless Masterbruce thinks so). So I agree Logan wins all the time.
But comic physics are different than movie physics (and real life physics too). If Logan was to fight terminator in a movie world (or real world) then I definitely believe that his flesh is getting shredded of to the point of KO. Or hitting at least a vital organ stops Wolverine until more shots are added until he is Koed (In the real or movie world only though). So please don't argue here as I agree Logan wins in a comic fight (unless Masterbruce has something to add).
Good stuff man!
Originally posted by h1a8
If Logan was to fight terminator in a movie world (or real world) then I definitely believe that his flesh is getting shredded of to the point of KO. Or hitting at least a vital organ stops Wolverine until more shots are added until he is Koed (In the real or movie world only though). So please don't argue here as I agree Logan wins in a comic fight (unless Masterbruce has something to add).Good stuff man!
Id agree with that, but I dont think that Wolverine would even get hit. But this a point I was making in another discussion. When Wolverine gets shot or stabbed he gets wounded, for example if Wolverine gets shot by a 38 caliber gun he will get a wound like a normal human will but wont die. It would stand to reason that if he did got shot by a mini-gun that all his flesh should be shredded.
Originally posted by jinzin
Well we know for a fact that he does dodge bullets.. he sees them in slow motion in th weapon x novel.. something that was displayed on panel during an x-men storyline.. and daredevil's even flat out stated that Logan dodges bullets..
😬It may not make sense, but it's a capibility that's part of the character.
Well another way of looking at it is this. You would consider Cap and Wolverine to have about the same speed and reflexes. If Cap can see bullets in slow motion so should Wolverine.
Is this Weapon X novel supposed to be canon?
Termie 9/10
The Terminator has xray vision so will not he punching Logan But will utilize comprehensive files on anatomy to soften logan up with precise rapid fire to nerve strike areas then grab Logan's arms behind his back and shift his full weight onto Wolvies nek which closes the airway to his lungs
Logan blacks out after a long long struggle The T101 compensates to Logan's every move [predicting an attempt to roll out of the hold by a spile in thermal energy to the thighs/abs etc. and compensates to thwart it.]
Finally Term fills a bathtub with hot water lays Logan in thurr [Logan's adamantium skell sinks him to the bottom]
after two weeks the Landlord breaks down the door to the apartment, neigbours are complaining about the smell
Originally posted by h1a8
Yes but there are levels of stupid sh$#. Trust me comics nowadays are no way as stupid as the ones many years ago. I actually think they are not that stupid now (IMO) for they are more science based than ever.Yes it is and along with Gladiator's and BRB's feat too. This is because in the majority of their history they haven't shown that level of ridiculous strength. Which contradicts not only their history but their defined powers (Hulk's strength grows in proportion to his rage and stress but was nowhere as angry when he did that feat than other times in which he was much weaker).
He only has above average durability because of his HF and not the toughness of his skin. Now its clear that a minigun will shread the flesh off of Logan. It doesn't matter if its to the bone or not. Just enough to KO him.
If that's true then I don't think there is an argument anymore (unless Masterbruce thinks so). So I agree Logan wins all the time.
But comic physics are different than movie physics (and real life physics too). If Logan was to fight terminator in a movie world (or real world) then I definitely believe that his flesh is getting shredded of to the point of KO. Or hitting at least a vital organ stops Wolverine until more shots are added until he is Koed (In the real or movie world only though). So please don't argue here as I agree Logan wins in a comic fight (unless Masterbruce has something to add).Good stuff man!
Well then since you asked I'll just say that I respectfully disagree with you a number of points there...
But I just thought I'd throw in that Wolverine's durability IS actually quite enhanced; his musculature is some 300% denser than it was before weapon X due to expirementation...
Also, I still don't think movie terminator takes this. Movie Logan was waltzing right through Jeans disintigration powers soooo..
but anywho...
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Originally posted by Badabing
Batman has dodged bullets by sensing a change in air pressure from the "firing" explosion and he's evaded bullets by his quick, acrobatic movements.You're forgetting one important comic fact. Comic bullets job unless they hit an innocent person or progress a story.
Let's not forget that he dodged a sniper at least a block away by feeling the change in air pressure.
A slight bit more impressive than a joe blow and a .22.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Can you prove it all? Look do you have any sources that state that its in 616 continuity, because that would seal it.
Indeed it would.
And I have no PROBLEM with Wolverine being able to. I'd be happy to see it in a thought box or narration on panel or some such.
However, I DO have a problem taking it on blind faith that the novel is canon.
Originally posted by masterbruceNo you don't. You only need to dodge the aim before the gun is fired. By making the other person miss you don't need to dodge bullets.
it would be ridiculous for batman to dodge a bullethe's only peak human...
to dodge a bullet you need:
1. super reflexes to respond to bullet
2. super speed (or ability to move faster than a bullet)batman has neither
Its why people without superspeed dodge bullets and lasers(!!) all the time in comics.
Anyone who dodges a laser (Light Amplification by Stimulated Emissions of Radiation) can move at superliminal speeds? 🤨
Originally posted by Soljer
Where has Marvel officially endorsed it as 616?
It was also stated as the most indepth discription what truely transpired during the project.
marvel clearly hyped it as what truelly happen to Logan.
the author stated he got all of his information from the graphic noval and simply put it into words and more detailed explanations.
Originally posted by Creshosk
No you don't. You only need to dodge the aim before the gun is fired. By making the other person miss you don't need to dodge bullets.Its why people without superspeed dodge bullets and lasers(!!) all the time in comics.
Anyone who dodges a laser (Light Amplification by Stimulated Emissions of Radiation) can move at superliminal speeds? 🤨
I like you, Cresh, but I gotta disagree to some extent.
Your logic here, isn't entirely accurate.
The distance a LASER (it is an acronym, after all, 😉) needs to travel to hit the character is very often MUCH further than the distance a character needs to move to dodge it.
The same can be applied to bullets. A character who is shot at from a hundred meters likely only needs to move...thirty centimeters to dodge it? If that far?
Meaning that they can move many times more slowly than the bullet, or the Laser, and still dodge the thing assuming they start EXACTLY as the bullet leaves the barrel. They needn't dodge the AIM in a case like this.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
when it came out marvel directly stated it as wolverien true origins of what happen to him during the weapon x project.It was also stated as the most indepth discription what truely transpired during the project.
marvel clearly hyped it as what truelly happen to Logan.
the author stated he got all of his information from the graphic noval and simply put it into words and more detailed explanations.
But, you're ignoring that there are a lot of Logans. A HUGE number of Logans. Infinite numbers of Logans.
Did they ever say 616?
Beyond that, responding to the end of your post;
The author 'rewriting' a comic doesn't make it admissible for the same reason that anime is not a substitute for the manga.
Things are added and removed that needn't be.
Originally posted by Soljer
But, you're ignoring that there are a lot of Logans. A HUGE number of Logans. Infinite numbers of Logans.Did they ever say 616?
Beyond that, responding to the end of your post;
The author 'rewriting' a comic doesn't make it admissible for the same reason that anime is not a substitute for the manga.
Things are added and removed that needn't be.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
so your actaully trying to tell me marvel would hype somethign as the true origins of wolverine............but be talking about an alternate reality wolverine? come on that rediculous.
They've hyped things as the 'Death of Wolverine!' without it being canon.
Also note that you didn't respond to the 'rewrite' part. Anime is not canon to the manga, though it's the same story.
Novels are not canon to the comics, though it's the same story.
Originally posted by SoljerActually it sounds like we're agreeing.
I like you, Cresh, but I gotta disagree to some extent.Your logic here, isn't entirely accurate.
The distance a LASER (it is an acronym, after all, 😉) needs to travel to hit the character is very often MUCH further than the distance a character needs to move to dodge it.
The same can be applied to bullets. A character who is shot at from a hundred meters likely only needs to move...thirty centimeters to dodge it? If that far?
Meaning that they can move many times more slowly than the bullet, or the Laser, and still dodge the thing assuming they start EXACTLY as the bullet leaves the barrel. They needn't dodge the AIM in a case like this.