Re: Will the real God have mercy because we are dumb butts
Originally posted by Cyber Ninja
I mean everyone has a different religion, and all of them claim to be right....God is in heaven just going you stupif bastards oh well. I mean will God bring us to where ever if we are still whatever since it is not out fault in the religion we believe. What ever God is will it have mercy...
Here's our belief: There are three degrees of glory in heaven; the Celestial Kingdom, the Terrestrial Kingdom, and the Telestial Kingdom. The Celestial Kingdom is for those who follow the gospel and are great people. The Terrestrial Kingdom is for those who kind of fell from the light or haven't followed the right gospel, but are still alright people. The Telestial Kingdom is for those who purposely deny the church and insult God (well actually, the afterlife's a little more complicated than that, but I've made my point). Now, it's true that there's lots of religions, but there's also free agency. That means we can choose our own religion, so, it's pretty much our own fault if we act proud or stubborn and refuse to accept the true gospel.
Re: Will the real God have mercy because we are dumb butts
Originally posted by Mindship
"He" will have mercy because "He" loves us, in spite of our being dumb butts.
I agree, but would add that I believe we need to accept Jesus as our savior as well. God is both merciful and completely fair. He "desires that none should perish, but that all should turn to Christ and live".
**waits for the brick bats thrown my way** 😛
Re: Re: Will the real God have mercy because we are dumb butts
Originally posted by chez
I agree, but would add that I believe we need to accept Jesus as our savior as well. God is both merciful and completely fair. He "desires that none should perish, but that all should turn to Christ and live".**waits for the brick bats thrown my way** 😛
What about someone who lives a saintly life but never accepts Jesus as his savior, will this person go to hell?
What about a mass murder who at the last minuet accept Jesus as his savior, will he go to heaven?
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Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What about someone who lives a saintly life but never accepts Jesus as his savior, will this person go to hell?What about a mass murder who at the last minuet accept Jesus as his savior, will he go to heaven?
Yes. It's hard to understand, but yes. Those thieves on the crosses next to Jesus proved that. One of them mocked Jesus along with the rest and told him that if he's the Christ to save himself and them; but the other said, "Don't you fear God? We are punished justly because we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong." And he said to Jesus, "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom." And Jesus told him, "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise." (Luke 23:39-43)
It's not a case of saying the magic words and suddenly you're saved. It's not like a mass murderer who's on his death bed says off-handedly, "Oh yeah, and Jesus, I believe in you" and he'll suddenly be whisked away to heavenly bliss. It's not a cop out. Christians believe that God can see into our hearts, he is holy and he is 100% fair. Jesus came to save whoever truly believes in him and give them eternal life. The Bible says he wants to save everybody. "God did not send his son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through him might be saved " -John 3:17. But obviously not everyone will accept him. That's free will.
Re: Will the real God have mercy because we are dumb butts
Originally posted by Cyber Ninja
I mean everyone has a different religion, and all of them claim to be right....God is in heaven just going you stupif bastards oh well. I mean will God bring us to where ever if we are still whatever since it is not out fault in the religion we believe. What ever God is will it have mercy...
Depends which religion you belong too. Some Gods are better than others, IMO.
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Originally posted by chez
Yes. It's hard to understand, but yes. Those thieves on the crosses next to Jesus proved that. One of them mocked Jesus along with the rest and told him that if he's the Christ to save himself and them; but the other said, "Don't you fear God? We are punished justly because we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong." And he said to Jesus, "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom." And Jesus told him, "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise." (Luke 23:39-43)It's not a case of saying the magic words and suddenly you're saved. It's not like a mass murderer who's on his death bed says off-handedly, "Oh yeah, and Jesus, I believe in you" and he'll suddenly be whisked away to heavenly bliss. It's not a cop out. Christians believe that God can see into our hearts, he is holy and he is 100% fair. Jesus came to save whoever truly believes in him and give them eternal life. The Bible says he wants to save everybody. "God did not send his son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through him might be saved " -John 3:17. But obviously not everyone will accept him. That's free will.
Saved from what?
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Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Saved from what?
From our sins that separate us from God. Christians believe that we had a close relationship with God when humans were first created - we were made in his likeness, we were perfect. God created us; by rights, he owns us. Then there was the first sin of Adam and Eve, and that sin caused God to be separated from us. Adam and Eve wanted the knowledge of good and evil, and in so doing sinned, became no longer perfect and forfeited paradise. All humans are divided from God because we rebel against him by nature as a result. "There is no one righteous - not even one" -Romans 3:10. And God cares enough to give us free will to make that choice; to accept or reject. People who choose to be cut off from God will be. He doesn't force us either way.
But God also cares enough to send us a way out. And that's Jesus. Because we rejected the God who made us and rightfully rules us, we deserve to die. So Jesus came to die as a substitute, to be sacrificed for our sake. He never sinned or rebelled against God, so he is also the perfect sacrifice. After this, Jesus was raised from the dead by God and taken to heaven - death no longer has to bind us; we can have eternal life too. It's up to us now: either accept Jesus' death and resurrection and be raised like Jesus to eternal life, or continue in rebellion and get what we choose.
[Sorry if I'm preaching here... I'm not trying to be a televangelist or something. shock]
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Originally posted by chez
From our sins that separate us from God.
😆 You must be joking, you cannot be separated from God. If you could be, you would die instantly.
Originally posted by chez
Christians believe that we had a close relationship with God when humans were first created - we were made in his likeness, we were perfect. God created us; by rights, he owns us. Then there was the first sin of Adam and Eve, and that sin caused God to be separated from us. Adam and Eve wanted the knowledge of good and evil, and in so doing sinned, became no longer perfect and forfeited paradise.
What is perfect?
Ownership, when it comes to God is a topic that makes no sense. Do I own the Earth and stars or do they own me. It is not a point of ownership.
Adam and Eve are a myth, and this first sin was going from a hunter/gatherer society to an agricultural society that required the possession of things. It was this possession of things that led to strife in society. See the movie “The Gods Must Be Crazy” It is a good representation of this.
Originally posted by chez
But God also cares enough to send us a way out. And that's Jesus. Because we rejected the God who made us and rightfully rules us, we deserve to die. So Jesus came to die as a substitute, to be sacrificed for our sake. He never sinned or rebelled against God, so he is also the perfect sacrifice. After this, Jesus was raised from the dead by God and taken to heaven - death no longer has to bind us; we can have eternal life too. It's up to us now: either accept Jesus' death and resurrection and be raised like Jesus to eternal life, or continue in rebellion and get what we choose.
That seems really strange. If this god you talk about, would want to do something, wouldn’t the outcome be simpler and straightforward.
God does not need or want, if God did, God would be flawed.
Jesus was a Buddha, who’s teaching were distorted by Paul.
In my religion there is only 1 sin and 1 commandment. Do not slander and love every one.