Heat Vision VERSUS Optic blast

Originally posted by UniOmni
Spetnaz, please don't applaud my post. I don't care for some of the wtf feats he has. They just go into reinforcing my belief that he's a walking talking plot device. How HEAT can repair a hole in reality is pure T nonsense. How hv can push a planet without reducing it in size is also pure T crap. How he can adjust its concussive force without adjusting its heat is silly. How he can get output temperatures that exceed the sun, from which he gains his power is silly as well. Its kinda like imo, Surfer having a higher output than Galactus. He is a walking, talking plot device, as is any GL, but they have the excuse of having a plot device on their finger. Soul Vision, T-VO?? Nonsense.

And the heat vision is not just able to get hotter than a star, it's INCACULABLE. They've never found an upper limit to it. People say 'hotter than a star', on the forum, because it's about the hottest thing people can imagine. The difference is, humans can guage the temperature of stars. They can't guage heat vision.

Juntai , I've been meaning to ask you a question. Is the mini-rant in your sig written by cosmic cube or directed at cosmic cube.

Superman.

Originally posted by Juntai
YOu weren't supplied all of the facts. His heat vision supplied an engine enough power to move a planet across space. Not just blasting at it and pushing it. Assuming we're talking of the same feat anyways.

And the heat vision is not just able to get hotter than a star, it's INCACULABLE. They've never found an upper limit to it. People say 'hotter than a star', on the forum, because it's about the hottest thing people can imagine. The difference is, humans can guage the temperature of stars. They can't guage heat vision.

Jun, you may be right about the pushing planet feat, but the whole hotter than a star is kinda weird imo. Once he became able to output more heat than a star, he should've become self sufficient. He outgrew his powersource. The fact that it still somehow nourishes him is lame.

Originally posted by grey fox
Juntai , I've been meaning to ask you a question. Is the mini-rant in your sig written [b]by cosmic cube or directed at cosmic cube. [/B]

Originally posted by UniOmni
Jun, you may be right about the pushing planet feat, but the whole hotter than a star is kinda weird imo. Once he became able to output more heat than a star, he should've become self sufficient. He outgrew his powersource. The fact that it still somehow nourishes him is lame.

Other characters, such as Mongul during Our WOrlds at War, suggested Superman draws from an infinite source, and others have hinted or suggested that's it not only stars that he gathers energy from.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Jun, you may be right about the pushing planet feat, but the whole hotter than a star is kinda weird imo. Once he became able to output more heat than a star, he should've become self sufficient. He outgrew his powersource. The fact that it still somehow nourishes him is lame.

weird as it is, you can't apply real-world logic to comics though. 🙁

Originally posted by leonidas
weird as it is, you can't apply real-world logic to comics though. 🙁

🙂

Jun, you know OWAW was a Superman lovefest of the highest order. Anything from that arc needs be forgotten i'd say.

Wasn't it penned by Loeb?? Rest My case

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Illadelph, there is an error here. Supes was NOT sundipped when he fired that blast....that's a forum myth.

I have the issue and Supes never flies into the sun. It however IS behind his when he HV's earth.

So he's getting a boost from it then. Not as much as the sun-dipping though.

Here's my question. Is Superman's heat vision re-directed Solar energy, or a completely different one. If it's redirected Solar Energy, it goes with the same principle as why Superman can fly through a yellow star unharmed, and come back more powerful. Cyclops and Superman naturally absorb solar energy and it powers their abilities. If Superman's heat vision is redirected Solar energy, then Cyke is just gonna absorb it. Also, since Cyke's is pure concussive, and Superman's is a mix, his heat vision may just feed Cyke's beam.

Originally posted by Marcus4600
So he's getting a boost from it then. Not as much as the sun-dipping though.

Here's my question. Is Superman's heat vision re-directed Solar energy, or a completely different one. If it's redirected Solar Energy, it goes with the same principle as why Superman can fly through a yellow star unharmed, and come back more powerful. Cyclops and Superman naturally absorb solar energy and it powers their abilities. If Superman's heat vision is redirected Solar energy, then Cyke is just gonna absorb it. Also, since Cyke's is pure concussive, and Superman's is a mix, his heat vision may just feed Cyke's beam.

All of Supermans powers involve the conversion of Solar energy to meta ATP in the cells. The meta ATP is the source of supes energy. Supes has extra organs in his body and organelles a bit like a cross between a chloroplast and a mitochondria. What the exact nature of the action of energy conversion as far as interim stages is, no one knows, although much has been theorised.

Heat vision is Heat vision, not solar energy!

Cyclops will not be absorbing any heat vision.

Fire a super-powerful industrial laser at a solar panel and see what happens...

Will the solar panel absorb the laser.... or will the laser cut through it like a knife through butter....?

Superman's heat vision all the way.

In Sacrifice, i think Darksied describes Supes heat vision as 'you're most power weapon'.

It definitely has some concussive force as well. When Black Adam and Supes recently clashed, it was able to 'deck' Adam.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
All of Supermans powers involve the conversion of Solar energy to meta ATP in the cells. The meta ATP is the source of supes energy. Supes has extra organs in his body and organelles a bit like a cross between a chloroplast and a mitochondria. What the exact nature of the action of energy conversion as far as interim stages is, no one knows, although much has been theorised.

Heat vision is Heat vision, not solar energy!

I didn't know what it classified as.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
All of Supermans powers involve the conversion of Solar energy to meta ATP in the cells. The meta ATP is the source of supes energy. Supes has extra organs in his body and organelles a bit like a cross between a chloroplast and a mitochondria. What the exact nature of the action of energy conversion as far as interim stages is, no one knows, although much has been theorised.

Heat vision is Heat vision, not solar energy!

I've heard this as well. I've heard the photosynthetic process may kick start some form of matter to energy conversion. I.e. his food gets converted to pure energy. Imagine that, everytime he eats hes consuming more than a megatons worth of energy. I have another theory, but ill have to do some more research b4 i share it

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
In Sacrifice, i think Darksied describes Supes heat vision as 'you're most power weapon'.

It definitely has some concussive force as well. When Black Adam and Supes recently clashed, it was able to 'deck' Adam.

You're nearly correct here lol. 😉

Superman is hallucinating that he is fighting Darkseid.

They're in a boxing match and Superman didn't realise that he has KNite boxing gloves. Darkseid starts to kick Supes' ass and when Superman uses his heat vision, Darkseid says:

You use your most powerful weapon, so early in the fight. I am unimpressed, Kryptonian.

Or something along those lines.

Either way, it goes to show that Superman himself (as it was happening in his mind) seems to think that Heat Vision is his most powerful weapon.

Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
You're nearly correct here lol. 😉

Superman is hallucinating that he is fighting Darkseid.

They're in a boxing match and Superman didn't realise that he has KNite boxing gloves. Darkseid starts to kick Supes' ass and when Superman uses his heat vision, Darkseid says:

You use your most powerful weapon, so early in the fight. I am unimpressed, Kryptonian.

Or something along those lines.

Either way, it goes to show that Superman himself (as it was happening in his mind) seems to think that Heat Vision is his most powerful weapon.

Shhhhhhhh ! 😛 Don't spoil my moment !!!!!!!!

I am bumping this thread to only address the scan posted by Spetz on the first page. There is one of my main gripes with the S man. His hv is hotter than the flames of hell?? Major beef is on my plate.
I hope to start my own comicbook company one day in the future, and unlike DC/MArvel and others, spiritual realms would not job.
Heaven and hell and the beings residing in both places would clearly be at the pinnacle top of the food chain.
Angels/Demons would be so large, they could only be described as galactic in size. And these would be your normal generic angels/demons. The dominions and powers would be large enough to play marbles with fullsize universes.
No more storming into hell to retrieve your loved ones souls, and no more lackluster hellfire. It wouldn't be a physical attack, but a spiritual one that eats your soul, and purity be damned, you will lose your right to eternity!! No more punching devils and angels. No more jobbing dammit!! Angels and Demons will be beings of shown incalculable power, rather than narrative hyperbole, only to end up jobbing to the hero. None of that garbage. You will meet a demon, and escape and never ever return for a second meeting. They're that scary powerful. No more "powerful enough to erase me with a thought" but never smart enough to do it. You will be blinked away.
No more immortals. Just really long lives. The immortality of the soul is the closest you'll get to it. Unless, you are a heavenly or hellish being, ie angel/demon.
And hell would be below the multiverse and heaven above it. No walking to it, or using some kinda dimensional dohicky. You only get there if someone summons you, or one of its citizens guide you. Absolute is this rule. No relentless searching and finding it.
No punching through dimensions, or moving planets with hands. TK will rule.
TP immunity will not exist. If a character appears to be immune, they will have meticulously built defenses to make it appear so. Willpower won't be the answer for everything. Things like Doom resisting Purpleman won't happen.
Characters will fly near or at lightspeed, but when they exceed it, they will lose all mass and if trying to catch someone falling, go right through them, and watch them die.
Blackholes will not job!! No escaping them, and when caught in them, you will be reduced to atoms.
Those surviving the crush must have durability gifted from the hands of creation, ie GOD. Sonic booms will occur regularly and with nasty results.
Stupid costumes(looking at females) will not suffice. No leotards and fishnets. I can't for the life of me, see how anybody takes Zatanna, WonderWoman and Black Canary and Huntress seriously. Truly i don't. They look like hookers of the lowest order.
Art will be seen in the creation of costumes. Spandex and tights will be burned at the door.
Underwear on the outside will not happen. And leather for coolness factor will burn as well(Xmen). A guy wearing leather pants is NEVER a good look. Not tight, loose or baggy. Unless its a bomber jacket.

And most of all, there will be a clear cut line in the classes. Heavyweights will not, job to streetlevels, ie Hulk vs wolverine. And bricks will have some superspeed. How they can have muscles that strong, yet not run fast is beyond me. And no main character, ie Superman syndrome. The universe/multiverse will have existed before most heroes, and will continue to exist unabated when they die. For that is a universe imo.

Sorry for the rant, but thats how mine will go if it ever comes to pass.

I'm sorry... but superman would win this...

Originally posted by UniOmni
I am bumping this thread to only address the scan posted by Spetz on the first page. There is one of my main gripes with the S man. His hv is hotter than the flames of hell?? Major beef is on my plate.
I hope to start my own comicbook company one day in the future, and unlike DC/MArvel and others, spiritual realms would not job.
Heaven and hell and the beings residing in both places would clearly be at the pinnacle top of the food chain.
Angels/Demons would be so large, they could only be described as galactic in size. And these would be your normal generic angels/demons. The dominions and powers would be large enough to play marbles with fullsize universes.
No more storming into hell to retrieve your loved ones souls, and no more lackluster hellfire. It wouldn't be a physical attack, but a spiritual one that eats your soul, and purity be damned, you will lose your right to eternity!! No more punching devils and angels. No more jobbing dammit!! Angels and Demons will be beings of shown incalculable power, rather than narrative hyperbole, only to end up jobbing to the hero. None of that garbage. You will meet a demon, and escape and never ever return for a second meeting. They're that scary powerful. No more "powerful enough to erase me with a thought" but never smart enough to do it. You will be blinked away.
No more immortals. Just really long lives. The immortality of the soul is the closest you'll get to it. Unless, you are a heavenly or hellish being, ie angel/demon.
And hell would be below the multiverse and heaven above it. No walking to it, or using some kinda dimensional dohicky. You only get there if someone summons you, or one of its citizens guide you. Absolute is this rule. No relentless searching and finding it.
No punching through dimensions, or moving planets with hands. TK will rule.
TP immunity will not exist. If a character appears to be immune, they will have meticulously built defenses to make it appear so. Willpower won't be the answer for everything. Things like Doom resisting Purpleman won't happen.
Characters will fly near or at lightspeed, but when they exceed it, they will lose all mass and if trying to catch someone falling, go right through them, and watch them die.
Blackholes will not job!! No escaping them, and when caught in them, you will be reduced to atoms.
Those surviving the crush must have durability gifted from the hands of creation, ie GOD. Sonic booms will occur regularly and with nasty results.
Stupid costumes(looking at females) will not suffice. No leotards and fishnets. I can't for the life of me, see how anybody takes Zatanna, WonderWoman and Black Canary and Huntress seriously. Truly i don't. They look like hookers of the lowest order.
Art will be seen in the creation of costumes. Spandex and tights will be burned at the door.
Underwear on the outside will not happen. And leather for coolness factor will burn as well(Xmen). A guy wearing leather pants is NEVER a good look. Not tight, loose or baggy. Unless its a bomber jacket.

And most of all, there will be a clear cut line in the classes. Heavyweights will not, job to streetlevels, ie Hulk vs wolverine. And bricks will have some superspeed. How they can have muscles that strong, yet not run fast is beyond me. And no main character, ie Superman syndrome. The universe/multiverse will have existed before most heroes, and will continue to exist unabated when they die. For that is a universe imo.

Sorry for the rant, but thats how mine will go if it ever comes to pass.

If you need a writer, give me a call! I can concur with you dude. Comics with more realistic physics and such would be great.