Alpha Flight vs. JLA!

Originally posted by Pepito
Since King Mungi will not accept that Thor is more powerful than Snowbird for instance and Hulk more than Sasquatch (the facts of the comics), I am pointing out the logic behind my statement - that an American company whih focuses most of its comics in America will not decide to make their top team Canadian. It's alienates the main market, prevents the showcasing of the most powerful noncosmics and no American will ever do it due to their own patriotic feeling.

I never said that! Snowbird has the ability to transform into Tanaraq and even Wendigo, did I make a comment she could beat Thor? no.

Nope, Tanaraq/Sasquatch surpasses Hulk. Just normal Sasquatch stalemated Hulk for 30 minutes.

Your point is horrible that they can't be powerful since they arn't American. You remember Wolverine? well he's Canadian and was part of Alpha Flight

Most powerful people in comics aren't even from America...

Originally posted by snoopdogg
GL plot device crazy? That is uncalled for King. He's had the same powers since the 1950's.

Before DC had any real competion!

No I meant, like he loses due to plot device crazyness. Like Kyle going hand to hand against Deathstroke....errr...ok.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
I never said that! Snowbird has the ability to transform into Tanaraq and even Wendigo, did I make a comment she could beat Thor? no.

Nope, Tanaraq/Sasquatch surpasses Hulk. Just normal Sasquatch stalemated Hulk for 30 minutes.

Your point is horrible that they can't be powerful since they arn't American. You remember Wolverine? well he's Canadian and was part of Alpha Flight

No Alpha Flight are highly unlikely to be THE MOST POWERFUL and aren't at all. If marvel was a Canada based compnay they probably would be. Alpha Flight are a good team but no core members have powers like the top xmen (some of whom are described as the ultimate evolutions), or the top avengers who regularly fight cosmic battles

Originally posted by King_Mungi
No I meant, like he loses due to plot device crazyness. Like Kyle going hand to hand against Deathstroke....errr...ok.

Those guys should be uber cause they protect the universe. Not just a single country.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
I never said that! Snowbird has the ability to transform into Tanaraq and even Wendigo, did I make a comment she could beat Thor? no.

Nope, Tanaraq/Sasquatch surpasses Hulk. Just normal Sasquatch stalemated Hulk for 30 minutes.

Your point is horrible that they can't be powerful since they arn't American. You remember Wolverine? well he's Canadian and was part of Alpha Flight

Sure Hulk, marvel's showcase strong guy, is surpassed by Sasquatch. You do recall the mountain lifting and the crushing of Onslaught's armour. And I don't think Wolverine's especially powerful

Originally posted by Pepito
No Alpha Flight are highly unlikely to be THE MOST POWERFUL and aren't at all. If marvel was a Canada based compnay they probably would be. Alpha Flight are a good team but no core members have powers like the top xmen (some of whom are described as the ultimate evolutions), or the top avengers who regularly fight cosmic battles

Oh my god, that is a horrible point. Ummm...Alpha Flight often fights against Gods, and people who even made Dr.Strange crap his pants. They even had one member [Madison Jeffries] in the recent Weapon X mini destroy all the mutants in North America. X-Men included.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Oh I thought you were taking a knock at GL.

Those guys should be uber cause they protect the universe. Not just a single country.

Kyle is one of my all time favorite characters, heck I'm a fan of all the GL's.....John not so much 😛

Originally posted by Pepito
Sure Hulk, marvel's showcase strong guy, is surpassed by Sasquatch. You do recall the mountain lifting and the crushing of Onslaught's armour. And I don't think Wolverine's especially powerful

Tanaraq is a god, one who truely can't be defeated. He's older than the Earth itself and was the reason man is afraid of the night and cold. He easily beat Namora, the female version of Namor who Hulk never beat that easily. He even took out Zarthos like he was nothing and Kulan Gath.

How can you possibly think that Alpha Flight, a fairly minor team, are superior to the Avengers, marvel's jla. Alpha Flights main members include an acrobat and two energy suited people with midlevel powers. Gods are extremely variable in power and Cassandra Nova nearly wiped out all mutants. Immortus could have destroyed the entire timeline. You act like Alpha Flight are the only team to have fought gods. Thor, just one member of the avengers, is a god. Alpha Flight have never beaten a threat on a cosmic scale.

Plus you're clearly just saying this because of your nationality

Originally posted by Pepito
No Alpha Flight are highly unlikely to be THE MOST POWERFUL and aren't at all. If marvel was a Canada based compnay they probably would be. Alpha Flight are a good team but no core members have powers like the top xmen (some of whom are described as the ultimate evolutions), or the top avengers who regularly fight cosmic battles

Arguing that they can't be the most powerful cause they aren't american is stupid.

Sure they've been jobbed out alot recently, but in the battle arena we use characters/teams best showing. Alpha Flight's best showings make them one of Marvel most powerful teams. Deal with it.

Originally posted by Pepito
How can you possibly think that Alpha Flight, a fairly minor team, are superior to the Avengers, marvel's jla. Alpha Flights main members include an acrobat and two energy suited people with midlevel powers. Gods are extremely variable in power and Cassandra Nova nearly wiped out all mutants. Immortus could have destroyed the entire timeline. You act like Alpha Flight are the only team to have fought gods. Thor, just one member of the avengers, is a god. Alpha Flight have never beaten a threat on a cosmic scale.

Well first off depends on what Avengers team it is, and midlevel powers? GAH! You seriously know nothing of Alpha Flight. So I'm not going into it further.

No I'm saying Alpha Flight is a top tier team, since they have fought major oppoents. Did I say they are the strongest team? NO! Once again your saying things I never stated. Your making the outrageous claim that being Canadian that they can't be powerful. Wrong, they beat Llan, Galactus, Great Beasts and the Dreamqueen [Nightmare's daughter].

Originally posted by Pepito
Plus you're clearly just saying this because of your nationality

No, I know my character's limits hence why I said they lose here. I have even said in other threads I don't like them since their Canadian, I like them since their book was groundbreaking. I only got into AF like 7 months ago.

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
If you'd read any of the first series of Alpha Flight you'd know that when it was coming out they pretty much were the most powerful team in Marvel. The same lineup that's in this fight.

Arguing that they can't be the most powerful cause they aren't american is stupid.

Sure they've been jobbed out alot recently, but in the battle arena we use characters/teams best showing. Alpha Flight's best showings make them one of Marvel most powerful teams. Deal with it.

It's not stupid to say that an AMERICAN COMIC COMPANY WILL MAKE THEIR COUNTRY'S HEROES THE TOP LEVEL WHEN MOST OF THE COMICS ARE BASED IN AMERICA. It's not like I'm saying genetically Americans beat Canadians. And Alpha Flight will never be the most powerful team in marvel. Marvel is a business and most fans of marvel are American and will not want to see a Canadian team be the most powerful.

As said if you look at Alpha Flight feats, that puts them at one of the strongest teams in the Marvel universe wether you like it or not. Check the respect thread.

adding wally is overkill u wanna know why. He gives them all speed powers. this allows zatanna to destroy AF before AF can even think to think. and supes could easily take out Sas before he unleashes tanaraq.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
adding wally is overkill u wanna know why. He gives them all speed powers. this allows zatanna to destroy AF before AF can even think to think. and supes could easily take out Sas before he unleashes tanaraq.

Yep, Flash is a beast. Superman isn't in this, but yes he could do that.

The respec thread is by its nature also biased. And one of the most powerful out of about 4 major teams ain't too great. Sasquatch has reasonable superstrength, Puck is an acrobat, Vindicator and Guardian are weaker iron men without computers, Aurora and Northstar are powerful but only have speed, Shaman is midlevel magician. No-one in this team can be classed as one of the most powerful beings on Earth, as shown by their lack of appearances on gauntlets and major threads. It's Hulk not Sasquatch who appears, Iron Man not vindicator and Strange not Shaman

Originally posted by Pepito
The respec thread is by its nature also biased. And one of the most powerful out of about 4 major teams ain't too great. Sasquatch has reasonable superstrength, Puck is an acrobat, Vindicator and Guardian are weaker iron men without computers, Aurora and Northstar are powerful but only have speed, Shaman is midlevel magician. No-one in this team can be classed as one of the most powerful beings on Earth, as shown by their lack of appearances on gauntlets and major threads. It's Hulk not Sasquatch who appears, Iron Man not vindicator and Strange not Shaman

Not really, when I post entire issues and such. Puck is more than an acrobat, no they arn't. Vindicator beat an AR Iron Man with ease, and Guardian can overide his suit and take it over. Box would destroy Iron Man as well. They don't have just speed...oh hell here, you just proved you know nothing about them.

Guardian
1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardian_%28Marvel_Comics%29

Vindicator
1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vindicator

Puck
1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puck_%28comics%29

Aurora
1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_%28comics%29

Snowbird
1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowbird_%28comics%29

Northstar
1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northstar_%28comics%29

Shaman
1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaman_%28comics%29

Originally posted by Pepito
The respec thread is by its nature also biased. And one of the most powerful out of about 4 major teams ain't too great. Sasquatch has reasonable superstrength, Puck is an acrobat, Vindicator and Guardian are weaker iron men without computers, Aurora and Northstar are powerful but only have speed, Shaman is midlevel magician. No-one in this team can be classed as one of the most powerful beings on Earth, as shown by their lack of appearances on gauntlets and major threads. It's Hulk not Sasquatch who appears, Iron Man not vindicator and Strange not Shaman