The Great Evolutionary Race!!

Originally posted by whobdamandog
Not true at all. As I stated in the previous post, the homosexuals are of "gifted" intelligence, while the heterosexuals are only of "average" intelligence. Certainly with all of earth's resources at their disposal and an intellectual advantage, the homosexuals should have no problem finding ways to build a more "evolved" society than the heterosexuals.

Look whob, the gifted Homosexuals will probably be better off after fifty years, but there won't be a next generation to share the advancement...while the heterosexuals will have offspring but they will probably still try to figure out jsut how many corners a wheel should have...
They ill be more, certainly, but it is doubtful if they will be more advanced. Procreation is certainly a prerequisite of advancement, but it's not the only one there is.

Originally posted by Fishy
But wrong...
The evolution and continuing of society does not only depend on the creation of new humans but also on the death of those that are already here. To prevent overpopulation. China has a law that allows people to only have one child, because of overpopulation. If the world would become overpopulated we would need to do something to stop it. This is strange however because until this very moment Nature has always given us the answer. And it probably has again: homosexuality.

Homosexuality is just the next step in the evolutionary chain to make the human species survive, homosexuality does not want to create more humans it wants to stop it. By your own theory's of survival homosexuality is very important to the human race, its a natural way to limit the population growth. So if anything homosexuals are the antidote for heterosexual reproduction habits.

Of course if you would create isolated groups of small people then yes you theory is correct, but thats not how it works in the real world.

That's an interesting theory that you've presented above, but flawed on many levels. Since when did homosexuality become the modern response to mankind's problems with "overpopulation"?

Call me crazy, but I don't believe that China or any modern society for that matter, has ordered a small sample of the people to become "homosexuals", to enforce population control. Correct me if I'm wrong however.

Anyway...wouldn't sterilization and abstinence, be equal if not a better means of controlling an overpopulation epidemic? I would think so, particularly since both of these behavior's would discourage the spread of STD's, and there is little to no health risk involved in either.

Back to the topic of the thread. Does anyone else have any theories or responses as to why "intellect" is the driving force behind the evolution of society, as opposed to it being "heterosexual" means of procreation?

*note* Homosexuality has been around for 1000 of years, so I would hardly call it "modern" sexual behavior.

Intellect is the driving force of modern advancemeant...which for us nowadays is the most important form of it. Heterosexual procretion is just a way to keep the human race alive..not advance them.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
That's an interesting theory that you've presented above, but flawed on many levels. Since when did homosexuality become the modern response to mankind's problems with "overpopulation"?

Call me crazy, but I don't believe that China or any modern society for that matter, has ordered a small sample of the people to become "homosexuals", to enforce population control. Correct me if I'm wrong however.

Anyway...wouldn't sterilization and abstinence, be equal if not a better means of controlling an overpopulation epidemic? I would think so, particularly since both of these behavior's would discourage the spread of STD's, and there is little to no health risk involved in either.

Back to the topic of the thread. Does anyone else have any theories or responses as to why "intellect" is the driving force behind the evolution of society, as opposed to it being "heterosexual" means of procreation?

*note* Homosexuality has been around for 1000 of years, so I would hardly call it "modern" sexual behavior.

Its not a man made solution, its nature, evolution. Man made solutions are things like Napalm, Atomic Bombs, Cruise missiles, stuff like that.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Intellect is the driving force of modern advancemeant...which for us nowadays is the most important form of it. Heterosexual procretion is just a way to keep the human race alive..not advance them.

Originally posted by whobdamandog

Even in modern societies, the ability of a doctor to fertilize a women's egg with semen through artificial means, simulates the natural fertilization process that occurs through "heterosexual" intercourse. So quite frankly, even in modern times, "heterosexuality" is still the driving force behind a society's advancement.

So in summary, I'm assuming that we are all in agreement, that the advancement of a society, is indeed dependent upon "heterosexuality" whether it be through natural or artificially induced heterosexual means of procreation.

But well, you are wrong, we are not in agreement.....

Moving on. I'd like for some other people to explain how "intellect" is indeed the driving force behind a species "evolution" based on the scenarios given within this thread.

Originally posted by Fishy
Homosexuality is just the next step in the evolutionary chain to make the human species survive, homosexuality does not want to create more humans it wants to stop it. By your own theory's of survival homosexuality is very important to the human race, its a natural way to limit the population growth. So if anything homosexuals are the antidote for heterosexual reproduction habits.

you gotta be shitting me

or we can just throw 200 bible thumpers on an island, isolated in every way from the outside world. no tv, no radio...nothing.

come back in a decade and see that half of them were burned at the stake by their peers for being unchristian and the rest at constant war with eachother because one side views the other as unchristian. just a gigantic persecution-fest.

other people to explain how "intellect" is indeed the driving force behind a species "evolution" based on the scenarios given within this thread.

Originally posted by soleran30
you gotta be shitting me

Its more likely that then a disease...

So, what exactly is the point?

I'm guessing that the outcome will be lesbians will all be wearing lumberjack outfits and building tree houses, the gay men will all have sore asses and died of aids 10 years into it, and the straight people will be just fine since the first thing they did was to build churches?

Is that what you want?

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
the straight people will be just fine since the first thing they did was to build churches?

Without a priest to marry the people, or to baptise the youth there all doomed anyway...

Cause the straights can't have sex unless they are married, and they can't get to heaven without baptism... So there just breeding more people to go to hell....

🙁

lets hope they can at least circumcise themselves...

Originally posted by whobdamandog
This brilliant quote helped me come up with a brilliant idea.

What if we took 200 homosexual males, 200 homosexual females, and 200 heterosexuals(100 males, 100 females) and put each group on seperate bodies of land throughout the world.

Each group must build a society, which will bring "mankind" into the next great stage of evolution. However in order for them to do this, each group is forced to adhere to the following guidelines:

*Exclusion from using modern technology of any kind to build the civilization. Only primitive tools and materials can be used. This includes primitive hammers, pulleys, wood, rocks, etc,etc, etc. For those who are a bit slow on the uptake, this excludes cars, airplanes, modern medicine, etc, etc, etc.

*The groups are not able to leave the continent in which they reside nor are they able to have any form of contact with the other groups.

The groups consist of healthy individuals who are 21 years of age, and are of average height/build/intelligence.

Over a 50 year period, which group would have the greater chance of bringing mankind into the next stage of evolution?

Seeing as how there's an overabundance of Modern Evolutionary Theory supporters within this forum, I'll be expecting a lot of responses on this topic.

The race has begun!!!

The floor is now yours. I'll respond once this thread gets to 100 posts. And please let's try to make sure that our opinions are presented in a civil manner.

shit

Cripes..and you guys label me a "troll."

I haven't heard a legitimate argument yet from anyone relating to the topic..with Ush being the exception, however, his argument was quickly stricken down many posts ago.

Is this all you Neo-Darwinists can come up with? Come on now..I was expecting a bit more spunk, and a whole hell of a lot more tenacity. You guys have given me little more than a few smilies and a few one liners..lol..oh well, this is what happens when I get serious, people's arguments usually get beaten so badly, that they can do little else but straw man when responding.

Well at least you all have given me a bit of an ego boost for the day.

Damn I'm good..whobdamandog?

Me.

That's what I thought..😉

Fin

Do you seriously think anyone takes anything you say in this thread seriously? Your homophobia thread serves nothing...

Obviously the gays and lesbians are going to die out, while the straights will become so horribly inbred they will create a society of country hicks, these hicks will proceed to wipe each other out over the rights to marry debbie-joe there great cousin....

So what have you achieved here??? Nothing captain obvious, We all know gays can't have babies unless they have straight sex...

Originally posted by whobdamandog
Cripes..and you guys label me a "troll."

I haven't heard a legitimate argument yet from anyone relating to the topic..with Ush being the exception, however, his argument was quickly stricken down many posts ago.

Is this all you Neo-Darwinists can come up with? Come on now..I was expecting a bit more spunk, and a whole hell of a lot more tenacity. You guys have given me little more than a few smilies and a few one liners..lol..oh well, this is what happens when I get serious, people's arguments usually get beaten so badly, that they can do little else but straw man when responding.

Well at least you all have given me a bit of an ego boost for the day.

Damn I'm good..whobdamandog?

Me.

That's what I thought..😉

Fin

The only thing that would be more pathetic than posting this drivel, is actually believing this drivel.

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Obviously the gays and lesbians are going to die out, while the straights will become so horribly inbred they will create a society of country hicks...

You mean like the Brits...😉

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
So what have you achieved here??? Nothing captain obvious, We all know gays can't have babies unless they have straight sex...

Originally posted by Adam Poe

...the real driving froce behind the advancement of society is men and women f***ing.

All right guys..it's been real...

Fin

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Do you seriously think anyone takes anything you say in this thread seriously? Your homophobia thread serves nothing...

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
So what have you achieved here??? Nothing captain obvious, We all know gays can't have babies unless they have straight sex...

Societal advancement and cultural evolution is driven by intelligence and innovation. Societal and cultural advancements are passed onto and can be built upon by further generations, however this in itself does not drive advancement.

Women can f*ck women and men can f*ck men. At one point a man and a women needed to have sex in order to reproduce. This doesn't mean men and women didn't f*ck people in their own sex. So, if the point that you are trying to get across is that at one time a man and a women needed to f*ck in order to procreate, then congratulations captain obvious! You've won the opportunity to talk to 5th graders!
Whob. Our whole world is changing. If you can't accept that it's time for you to take your place in history and join the dinos.

Later.

"You're still missing the ball on this one Ush, the argument presented is not trying to test a man or women's "ability" to procreate, as stated before. "

Listen this time.

By removing the opportunity to procreate you remove the ability to test evolutionary process.

You have made the test unfair and invalid by not giving the homosexuals the ability to procreate.

ANY version of this test that does not give all participants equal access to the opposite sex is invalid.

No matter how many times you say "the test is not about procreation" you do not escape that point. All you would ever prove is not that society cannot survive if the people in it are homosexual, but that they cannot develop if they are all of the same gender. If the 200 men and 200 women on differing islands were all heterosexual, they would be just as doomed as the homosexuals. Hence- pointless test.

You test can only be a fair test if all groups have equal access to procreation, and then you would want to make the assumption that some would choose not to use it.

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"Not true at all. As I stated in the previous post, the homosexuals are of "gifted" intelligence, while the heterosexuals are only of "average" intelligence. Certainly with all of earth's resources at their disposal and an intellectual advantage, the homosexuals should have no problem finding ways to build a more "evolved" society than the heterosexuals. "

What the hell difference does it make how smart they are? Your original test was about moving to the 'next statge' of evolution. As I told you, and as you ignored, intellect replacing simple mass reproduction as the mmeans of development is a modern phenomenon that can only take place in a world of modern society and technology. You have taken all that away and regressed the societies to a primitive stage where intellect was less important, simply to skew the test in your davour, and also, as I say, making it a totally unrealistic situation by putting a fully homosexual and/or heterosexual group IN such a situation, which does not reflect a genuine evolutionary situation, even if their statuses were digital like that, which they are not. And you thought that last bit was an irrelevant tangent? That goes a long way to show just how completely lacking in understanding you are. Running an argument on a schoolboy level, as you are, shows a lot about your lak of capacity.

Glad to see you are still living in tha tdream world where you think that you have ever, in your life, manage to repudiate anything I have said, whob. That fantasy world where you seem to think the objective of an argument is to convince yourself alone of your own brilliance is the only place you are going ton find any success, after all.