Originally posted by Bad BoyI like your band. 👆
Through Solace www.myspace.com/throughsolace not as heavy tho lol
Originally posted by Bad BoyI like your band. 👆
Through Solace www.myspace.com/throughsolace not as heavy tho lol
Originally posted by BlackSunshine
Cannibal Corpse does NOT suck in any way, shape or form. I, personally, don't care to listen to them on a regular basis, but I think they're pretty damn good.Could you be any more hateful? Honestly, someones opinion about something, which I personally agree with. Avril Lavine, Evanesence, Cannibal Corpse, ect ect. Are obviously doing something [b]right
if they're still making an assload of money. [/B]
never mind him, he's hates people who have an opinion on something he does thats not the same as his. He does get it right from time to time though. Those bands have been doing something right, even if its not on the talent side of things.
Originally posted by nick1811
i agree with who ever said any grindcore band, but there are some others from different genres:Belphegor
Burn the Priest
Cannibal Corpse
Coverge
Job For a Cowboy
Leng T'che (grindcore)
Six Feet Under
Job for a Cowboy played in my town, stayed at my mates afterwards... they went to this party but it got really really sketchy when some girl accused someone of raping her, so well all went back to my mates and stayed up til 7am watching tv and chatting with em, nice guys.
at the moment i cant stop listening to the tony danza tapdance extravaganza
Since when is heaviness more important than craftsmanship and execution. Half of those bands music is indecipherable and unaudible, IMO. Converge, to me, is noise, honestly. That of which I can't appreciate or admire. If they did live shows, like Dillinger Escape Plan, I'd imagine nothing but people standing around and trying to listen, because, like an art gallery showing, there's no emotion you can invest in it from what I could gather. Just stand around and take in the "art".
As far as Cannibal Corpse and death metal in general is concerned, they sell a band name, not their music, given it's so derivative. So, if you walk around saying you like Cannibal Corpse, or Anal **** or Cephalic Carnage, it supposedly lends to your death metal cred. Again, considering the formulaic nature of their music, you end up admiring the band name and not so muc hthe music.
Originally posted by C-Dic
Converge, to me, is noise, honestly. That of which I can't appreciate or admire. If they did live shows, like Dillinger Escape Plan, I'd imagine nothing but people standing around and trying to listen, because, like an art gallery showing, there's no emotion you can invest in it from what I could gather. Just stand around and take in the "art".
The music isn't indecipherable, that's a ridiculous claim. Converge lyrics or vocals are indecipherable, sure, but then if you're looking for lyrics, you're in the wrong place. I don't care what he's singing about, or screaming about. I care about what him and the band are doing, and I like what they do.
If you have a trained ear you can quite clearly tell that as erratic as Converge and Dillinger get, there's always structure. I accept that Converge aren't to everyone's liking, but it annoys me when people start moaning that they can't hear the lyrics. Go look them up, read some poetry, do something other than focus on the lyrics and ignore the band.
That said, Kurt Ballou, Nate Newton and Ben Koller (Guitar, bass and drums respectively) are both rather good at what they do. They're no Buzzo/Lombardo, but they get reasonable amounts of credit where it matters for creativity. So when did craftsmanship come before creativity?
I love musicians who can play and play well, but I'll take Nirvana over Dream Theater.
-AC
Tabby stop being bitter, it's gonna get you nowhere.
I don't care what music she/he likes or doesn't like, it's a free world. You simply don't like the fact that I can back up everything I say, and neither do the people I reply to. Shit happens, right? Deal with it. Don't start making the ridiculous claim about me that I've refuted more times than I can even count. She can get Cannibal Corpse tattoos and think they're the most creative band on Earth if she wishes, I don't care.
As long as she accepts that preference is subjective. Talent wise, the aforementioned band don't have a great deal going for them, and that's not preference.
Originally posted by BlackSunshine
Cannibal Corpse does NOT suck in any way, shape or form. I, personally, don't care to listen to them on a regular basis, but I think they're pretty damn good.
You can think what you want, there's a difference between that and trying to tell us that they're good as a fact. Preference is subjective, talent isn't.
Something they don't have much of, instrumentally. Important or not, that's true.
Originally posted by BlackSunshine
Could you be any more hateful? Honestly, someones opinion about something, which I personally agree with. Avril Lavine, Evanesence, Cannibal Corpse, ect ect. Are obviously doing something [b]right if they're still making an assload of money. [/B]
Prostitutes are obviously doing something right then, since they can earn a shitload of cash in one night.
Stupid logic isn't it? Yes, move on.
If being a tool and a puppet are both desireable traits, to you, then stay away from trying to have discussions about art.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The music isn't indecipherable, that's a ridiculous claim. Converge lyrics or vocals are indecipherable, sure, but then if you're looking for lyrics, you're in the wrong place. I don't care what he's singing about, or screaming about. I care about what him and the band are doing, and I like what they do.If you have a trained ear you can quite clearly tell that as erratic as Converge and Dillinger get, there's always structure. I accept that Converge aren't to everyone's liking, but it annoys me when people start moaning that they can't hear the lyrics. Go look them up, read some poetry, do something other than focus on the lyrics and ignore the band.
That said, Kurt Ballou, Nate Newton and Ben Koller (Guitar, bass and drums respectively) are both rather good at what they do. They're no Buzzo/Lombardo, but they get reasonable amounts of credit where it matters for creativity. So when did craftsmanship come before creativity?
I love musicians who can play and play well, but I'll take Nirvana over Dream Theater.
-AC
But I'm not looking for mindblowing lyrical content. A lot of the bands I follow, I'm not in for the lyrics, just their music. I'm in a pretty safe spot, listening to mostly hardcore, and while the lyrics and drive behind the music are similar, they've all got their signature sound. That said, I do need actual notes and sounds that I can latch onto.
As far as Converge and DEP, I'm sure there's structure, but I can;t find continuity. That's what's important to me and in the music I listen to, it's a must. Meshuggah is the exception to the rule, even my new found appreciation for Mastodon, given it's a maximum of two rythmn signature toss-up's per song, excluding the bridges.
Craftsmanship and creativity are one and the same to me. I just can't appreciate some bands music AS music, instead "art", and I'm not big on what I consider to be organized noise.
As for Cannibal Corpse..can you really have loyalty for the band? They've had more line-up changes than the ****ing New York Yankees and Cradle of Filth combined. They've been on life-support for years, only surviving on a brandname and some innovation that wore off after all the copycats got a piece of the pie. I appreciate your dedication, but they've been upstaged 100 times over since their inception.
Originally posted by C-Dic
As far as Converge and DEP, I'm sure there's structure, but I can;t find continuity. That's what's important to me and in the music I listen to, it's a must. Meshuggah is the exception to the rule, even my new found appreciation for Mastodon, given it's a maximum of two rythmn signature toss-up's per song, excluding the bridges.
arent you a big Hardcore fan?
Originally posted by Df02
Job for a Cowboy played in my town, stayed at my mates afterwards... they went to this party but it got really really sketchy when some girl accused someone of raping her, so well all went back to my mates and stayed up til 7am watching tv and chatting with em, nice guys.
cool, thats a decent story, you're lucky to have met the guys, i saw them in when they played near me but the closest i got was being next to the stage
Originally posted by Df02
arent you a big Hardcore fan?
I am, but how is that relevant?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Then Converge simply aren't the band for you. No more or less need be said, just don't do them the injustice of labelling them as "noise".-AC
Injustice? Where as what I feel is an opinion, it's a fact they have a very limited appeal.
Originally posted by C-Dic
Injustice? Where as what I feel is an opinion, it's a fact they have a very limited appeal.
They have a rather large and diverse fanbase actually.
That doesn't change the fact that they are an acquired taste, but that's precisely what aids my point. They're not to your taste, that doesn't mean that they're just noise. If you hear them as that, fine, but I know -- being a listener -- that there's more to them.
-AC
You have an undeniable point, although that genre's evolved past rat-a-tat drumming and thick breakdowns, which I still love in Hatebreed's albums. AC brought up that there's structure in DEP and Converge. I conceded to that, but not much in the way of continuity. Meaning, there's an insane mish-mash of signatures and errant breakdowns. I can't get into that, because it just doesn't get me involved or moved. Be it physically, or emotionally, and that's just me. I can appreciate other people being into it.
As for the bands I follow, they're not traditionally hardcore, really. There aren't any true hXc bands, from what I've experienced. Hatebreed's evolved past that, bands like Terror try and play straight up, and I think they're boring. I know most bands aren't complex, but there are plenty of bands lumped into what we call hardcore today that are still incredibly original, talented, and you can even understand their lyrics..which is a rarity, lol. They all have their roots in what hardcore stood for, like Napalm Death, who pretty much invented the mutt genre of hardcore metal.