Re: Alpha Flight vs Marvel team
Originally posted by golem370
The battle take place in the Grand CanyonAlpha Flight
Guardian
Vindicator
Sasquatch
Puck
Northstar
Auroravs
Marvel Team
Cannonball
Agent Zero
Abomination
Dark Beast
Mister Sinister
Comet Man
Because Mungi is one of the few people I enjoy arguing with around here I say team MArvel too versatile and too powerful. The main advantage Alpha has is team work and some spedsters so it cna go either way.
Canon ball si pretty much invulnerable while flying including energy attaks so no EMP shockwave there. Anyone that goes up against him is going to have to try to catch him while he has stopped moving.
Don't know enough about Agent Zero.
Abomination and Sasquash is a toss up considering the fights between him and curret Juggernaut I say its anyones fight.
Dark Beast pretty much gets his ass kicked by puck if that is the match up.
Mister Sinister: Here is the big gun of this team. Know why? Cause at least two of Alpha Flight are mutants. Sinister has shown the ability to turn off mutant powers. So thats two maple leafs down right there. So forget about some sort of "moelcular rearagnement". Cause they won't even have any powers.
Comet Man the veritable Nail-in the coffin. Comet man can mathc with either vindicator or Gurdian in terms of sheer speed firepower and toughness.
Re: Re: Alpha Flight vs Marvel team
Originally posted by Warmonger
Because Mungi is one of the few people I enjoy arguing with around here I say team MArvel too versatile and too powerful. The main advantage Alpha has is team work and some spedsters so it cna go either way.Canon ball si pretty much invulnerable while flying including energy attaks so no EMP shockwave there. Anyone that goes up against him is going to have to try to catch him while he has stopped moving.
Don't know enough about Agent Zero.
Abomination and Sasquash is a toss up considering the fights between him and curret Juggernaut I say its anyones fight.
Dark Beast pretty much gets his ass kicked by puck if that is the match up.
Mister Sinister: Here is the big gun of this team. Know why? Cause at least two of Alpha Flight are mutants. Sinister has shown the ability to turn off mutant powers. So thats two maple leafs down right there. So forget about some sort of "moelcular rearagnement". Cause they won't even have any powers.
Comet Man the veritable Nail-in the coffin. Comet man can mathc with either vindicator or Gurdian in terms of sheer speed firepower and toughness.
Other way around Alpha Flight has way more versility, and 4 members are speedsters which trump the other teams 2.
Guardian can do the exact same thing Magneto did to him, hold him with his graviton beam or just attack his brain. His body is invulnerable to physical harm, not his mind when he is moving. Guardian with Vindicator III put up a shield that held a nuclear blast, holding Cannonball won't be diffucult
He's only really impressive against street level characters. He's the old Maverick
Indeed, unless Tanaraq takes over and then it's all Alpha Flight....well all Tanaraq
Indeed, Puck is invulnerable.
When has he done that? not that it matters since Aurora or Northstar are fast enough to take him out before he even thinks. Plus if he does do this, Guardian will still be around to shut him down.
I don't know about that , since Guardian took full blasts from Human Torch, Shaman, Witchfire, Windshear and Vindicator [in E-M suit] all at once and all it did was activate his computer brain. Vindicator is in the 25-85 ton range and has even re-eruped mt.fuji as well as other abilities she has with her geothermal suit that makes her lethal
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Originally posted by Warmonger
Damn after reading up on agnet Zero I realize this guy is a damn menace. I would really like to see how they plan to hurt this guy.
Easily, most of his attacks wouldn't do anything and he is far from being invulnerable
Re: Re: Re: Alpha Flight vs Marvel team
Easily, most of his attacks wouldn't do anything and he is far from being invulnerable [/B]
How would his attacks not do anything? And he's not invulnerable.....but if you wore vibranium armor....on top of being able to absorb kinetic impact....you'd be pretty tough to hurt. Even before he got his upgrade....as Maverick....he was taking shots from Blob...and still managed to kick his ass.
Here is a brief synopsis of the fight taken from a site that reviews mini series:
On the street, Maverick recuperates, as all that happened was that he had the wind knocked out of him. The Blob’s blow sent every cell in his body into overdrive and his body feels as if it is on fire with kinetic energy. Maverick tells Blob that he made a big mistake. Blob runs out of the bar and announces that Maverick should shut up and that no fancy costume or powers is going to save him. Maverick is not as sure, as he notices that the Blob is a little tipsy from all the drinks he had. Maverick packs quite a punch, as he hits Blob in the gut. Blob stumbles back against a wall and admits that he was not expecting such an attack but, now that he is anchored, he wants to see what else Maverick has to offer.
Maverick punches him again, but this time his punches are absorbed by the Blob’s blubber. Blob bear hugs Maverick and wonders how he likes it up close and personal. Maverick is disgusted, as he gets a face full of fat. As the Blob smothers him, Maverick gets an idea. Suddenly, Blob feels a burning sensation, which turns to pain. He throws Maverick back and finds two burns the size and shape of Maverick’s hands on his chest. Blob looks at the two burn marks on his chest and Maverick tells Dukes that the trash he is standing in smells better than him
(The fight goes on for a while...but Blob ends up losing)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Alpha Flight vs Marvel team
Originally posted by Aries_04
How would his attacks not do anything? And he's not invulnerable.....but if you wore vibranium armor....on top of being able to absorb kinetic impact....you'd be pretty tough to hurt. Even before he got his upgrade....as Maverick....he was taking shots from Blob...and still managed to kick his ass.Here is a brief synopsis of the fight taken from a site that reviews mini series:
On the street, Maverick recuperates, as all that happened was that he had the wind knocked out of him. The Blob’s blow sent every cell in his body into overdrive and his body feels as if it is on fire with kinetic energy. Maverick tells Blob that he made a big mistake. Blob runs out of the bar and announces that Maverick should shut up and that no fancy costume or powers is going to save him. Maverick is not as sure, as he notices that the Blob is a little tipsy from all the drinks he had. Maverick packs quite a punch, as he hits Blob in the gut. Blob stumbles back against a wall and admits that he was not expecting such an attack but, now that he is anchored, he wants to see what else Maverick has to offer.
Maverick punches him again, but this time his punches are absorbed by the Blob’s blubber. Blob bear hugs Maverick and wonders how he likes it up close and personal. Maverick is disgusted, as he gets a face full of fat. As the Blob smothers him, Maverick gets an idea. Suddenly, Blob feels a burning sensation, which turns to pain. He throws Maverick back and finds two burns the size and shape of Maverick’s hands on his chest. Blob looks at the two burn marks on his chest and Maverick tells Dukes that the trash he is standing in smells better than him
(The fight goes on for a while...but Blob ends up losing)
His attacks wouldn't get past most of their shields, or even be able to hit most of the speedsters. Plus who knows if his attacks will do anything to Puck, but the only thing he could do it attack Sasquatch with his anti-healing touch. However, that could release Tanaraq since he comes out with great pain or rage Walter goes through. Honestly who hasn't kicked Blob's ass, he isn't that strong.
and?...Aurora and Northstar are far better at manipulating kinetic energy than he is. Basically what he did was not that impressive, and what Guardian, Vindicator and Aurora trump him in that regard quite easily.
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Originally posted by golem370
That is speculation King Mungi.Agent Zero is older and more experienced then anybody in Alpha Flight except Puck. I think he has had his powers as long as Wolverine had his claws
Nope, Guardian is thousands of years old as well as has a computer for a brain and Sasquatch has Tanaraq's body [A being older than the world itself]. No he only got majorly upgraded when Weapon X turned him into Agent Zero.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Alpha Flight vs Marvel team
Originally posted by King_Mungi
His attacks wouldn't get past most of their shields, or even be able to hit most of the speedsters. Plus who knows if his attacks will do anything to Puck, but the only thing he could do it attack Sasquatch with his anti-healing touch. However, that could release Tanaraq since he comes out with great pain or rage Walter goes through. Honestly who hasn't kicked Blob's ass, he isn't that strong.and?...Aurora and Northstar are far better at manipulating kinetic energy than he is. Basically what he did was not that impressive, and what Guardian, Vindicator and Aurora trump him in that regard quite easily.
Well you're going by the theory that Guardian, Vindicator and the like will automatically have their shields up.......using that logic...I could say that Sinister would automatically try to attack them all telepathically while the rest of the team members start wiping them out while their distracted....there's no guarantee that the fight would go that way....You're thinking about this battle in a way that would benefit strictly Alpha Flight while ignoring the abilities of the opposition.
You're underestimating Mavericks control over Kinetic Energy. Like I said he can reroute the energy to different parts of his body for kicks and stomps, he can absorb the kinetic impact from bullets...Wolverine has said himself "he doesn't even need to wear armor", given in the above example he can use it to create heat, he's used it for concussive blasts, he can even send the kinetic energy through his weapons to make their discharge more powerful.....
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Alpha Flight vs Marvel team
Originally posted by Aries_04
Well you're going by the theory that Guardian, Vindicator and the like will automatically have their shields up.......using that logic...I could say that Sinister would automatically try to attack them all telepathically while the rest of the team members start wiping them out while their distracted....there's no guarantee that the fight would go that way....You're thinking about this battle in a way that would benefit strictly Alpha Flight while ignoring the abilities of the opposition.You're underestimating Mavericks control over Kinetic Energy. Like I said he can reroute the energy to different parts of his body for kicks and stomps, he can absorb the kinetic impact from bullets...Wolverine has said himself "he doesn't even need to wear armor", given in the above example he can use it to create heat, he's used it for concussive blasts, he can even send the kinetic energy through his weapons to make its discharge more powerful.....
They do automatically have their sheilds up, and for the entire fight. It's not something they just turn on and off, and that's hard to do since Sinster isn't that great of a telepath as well as Mac can block him instantly as he did with Headlok. No, the other team just isn't that impressive. Aurora and Northstar just speedblitzes everyone and takes them out.
No I have every single apperance of Agent Zero, Weapon X through all his cameos. So? basically everyone on my team has concussion blasts, far exceding what Agent Zero can do. He's just street level, nothing special. How is he going to kick and stomp people who have faster reflexes and trump him with speed? Now your underestimating Alpha Flight's speed and power. I would like to see how he does when he is head dead in lava flow or when he is trapped in an E-M shield or has his brain shut down.
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Basically Guardian just does this to everyone
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