Ulic Qel Droma vs Darth Traya

NO wesker I'm asking, not stating that they have a defense. It's possible but there is nothing that I know that supports it.

The point is pretty much moot; they're not trained force sensitives, so calling it a bonafide instakill attack is misleading. A force user may be able to defend against it.

You're right, MAY be able to but there's no proof of that either.

But I wouldn't consider it in the same class as other instakills that HAVE been used on force sensitives.

In my mind an instakill is an instakill, and instakills have no defense for them whether you're force sensitive or not. Whether it's Kun's amulet blast, Traya's thingy, or Luke's, there has never been evidence to support a defense for any instakill.

A blaster to the head is an instakill too, but I don't lump that in there with other instakills that are clearly useable on force sensitives in a jedi/sith versus jedi/sith scenario.

You need to prove that Luke's instakill works on force users. Why didn't he use it on the dark jedi in the series?

We don't know if he did or he didn't, they only make it known against the Vong. And Wesker, emerald lightning is defined as an instakill technique, so what does that tell you? Sure a blaster to the head is an instant kill, but Traya's technique is called an instakill, and so is Luke's. They wouldn't have called it that if he couldn't use it on force users.

Where is the "emerald lighting" clearly defined as an instakill?

It just says that "It instantly kills its opponents". It doesn't go further than that but there is no reason to assume it can kill non force users and can't kill force users. "It instantly kills its opponents" seems universal, if it wasn't they'd have been more specific, that's my opinion.

What does Luke's insta kill have to do with this thread anyway?

I don't exactly know lol

Originally posted by Veneficus
What does Luke's insta kill have to do with this thread anyway?

Yea Wesker mentioned something about different instakill techniques and somehow we got on topic of Luke.

Well he is right, the technique has never been used against a force user, so we can't just assume it would work against a force user, or kill a force user unless we some logical reason to assume as much.

Lightning for instance can instantly kill a lot of people, but force users can withstand it, at least some of them can.

Well that all depends on the force mastery of lightning. For instance Dooku's was nothing compared to the force lightning of Sidious. But emerald lightning WAS described as an instakill technique.

Instally kills it opponent how was that said? Like it "always instantly kills it opponent" or Luke shot lightning that instantly killed its opponent?"

Anyways it depending on the force mastery is exactly the point, it wouldn't do well against everybody, against a lot of it wouldn't even have any use... Perhaps thats the same with Luke's lightning, and other insta kill techniques. I'm just guessing here though, I don't know but unless you know we can't just assume his technique will kill on impact.

And once again I must ask... what the hell does Luke have to do with this fight? Unless Ulic is Luke in disguise...*shifty eyes*

I guess this is true, so the same thing could be said for Kun's amulet blasts.

Originally posted by Veneficus
And once again I must ask... what the hell does Luke have to do with this fight? Unless Ulic is Luke in disguise...*shifty eyes*

I have no idea...

What is with you people and instakills? So you're all saying that Kun, Traya and Luke can instakill Ragnos *rolls eyes*, why would their be no defence, most of the instakills (exception being Emerald lightning) originated from the Ancient Sith, so why would they have no defense, if they did, then wouldn't Ragnos be instakilling in between 150 years of ruling?

Also Emerald Lightning was not used upon a force user and like others have said, it does not mean it has no defense, just like DE Sidious;s own brand on destructive force storm, can be blocked as can Luke's emerald lightning.