Ryu Vs. Ryo Sakazaki

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
well.. the fact that you've stated you prefer to hear facts in the iori thread, yet now prefer to hear opinions suddenly, has enthralled me to see what opinion can possibly sway the tide in such an overpowered match 🙂

lol, if it helps you sleep at night.. whatever you say 🙂

you wanted 'facts' in iori yagami thread..

now you want 'opinions' on ryo...

this alone makes you a less credible person to discuss versus matters with, as facts determine victors.. all the opinions in the world cannot change that..

shame the only way this thread retains its float is from you feeling witty.. have fun bumping 🙂

and btw.. you should stick to making balanced fights.. Iori vs terry was ok.. but this battle has just as much to debate about if one were to pit iori up against a barbie doll 😊

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
lol, if it helps you sleep at night.. whatever you say 🙂

you wanted 'facts' in iori yagami thread..

now you want 'opinions' on ryo...

this alone makes you a less credible person to discuss versus matters with, as facts determine victors.. all the opinions in the world cannot change that..

shame the only way this thread retains its float is from you feeling witty.. have fun bumping 🙂

and btw.. you should stick to making balanced fights.. Iori vs terry was ok.. but this battle has just as much to debate about if one were to pit iori up against a barbie doll 😊

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
and think about the writing.. vega.. who's supposed to be one of the upper tier of bisons cronies, is suddenly going to decide that saving terry is the right thing to do?.. gimme a break... in this case it has nothing to do with assumption..

Originally posted by brainchild81
It has everything to do with assumption. You assume Vega just saved him and again you're wrong. Bison told him to save him if I remember right. Bison wanted him so he could test out O.Iori. That right there proves that you lack enough knowledge of the material to make a sound judgment. Thanks for proving me right.

Many people here(including myself) don't care about the outdated card games. Some think that Ryo = Terry & Terry = Ryu. This thread isn't as unbalanced as you make it seem. If you really think this thread is pointless, you shouldn't have posted more than once here. It's not about me feeling witty. It's about you being wrong damned near all the time and making me look witty by comparisonhysterical

Brainchild and Sats, please stop bickering like two little school girls. You both agree that Ryu would kick Ryo's dumb ass. So please stop wasting space trying to make each other cry. Please
Anyways back to the topic. Ryo would lose coz he is a arrogant prick. He would underestimate Ryu, then lose and change his name from "the invincible dragon" to the "weeping *****".

He started it!!!!!!!!!🙂 It is getting tiresome though. I'll stop. I do think Ryo has too much faith in Kyokugenryu Karate though.

ryo is my guy, but ryu would beat the breaks off of his ass lol, now robert or takuma especially in mr. karate form is a whole different potatoe, but ryo? hell no

Will anyone like to hear my opinion on the two karate fighters perpective? Trust me, you'll believe I've been around these two characters for years only Ryo is FAR MORE BETTER than Ryu will ever be in his own fate.

Capcom will never want to push Ryu any farther for his character changes which Ryo have been redone over the years and still Ryu remains to be a boring character that Capcom continue milking their posterboy sadly for years and years only the UDON comics represent Ryu the best.

I'm a former Ryu fan, so lets get down to business here. Several current Ryu fans and Capcom zombies alike had misinterpret the Shotokan prodigy horribly and had seen through his character correctly. Ryu is NOT invincible as some see in him. Ryo on the other hand, I'll tell you alot about Ryo right after I get some answers to anyone who like to hear me out. 🙄

Feel free to drop some knowledge on us.

I'll tell you alot about Ryo right after I get some answers to anyone who like to hear me out

if you had info on ryo.. why wouldnt you just dish it out in the same post? 😐

also, how does 'ryu not changing' over the years reflect his power level, and ultimately his potential, as a character?

as for the entire subject matter of your post..I would love to hear how Ryo can defeat Ryu 😊

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
[B]I'll tell you alot about Ryo right after I get some answers to anyone who like to hear me out

if you had info on ryo.. why wouldnt you just dish it out in the same post? 😐

also, how does 'ryu not changing' over the years reflect his power level, and ultimately his potential, as a character?

as for the entire subject matter of your post..I would love to hear how Ryo can defeat Ryu 😊 [/B]

Let me ask you something, do you believe Ryu can defeat Ryo without conciliating his efforts with the dark hadou? Because if you do believe so, then Ryo will put this fight in a vulerablely prolonged one which brings out the worst in Ryu's intention to fight his all.

As much as I like the two, it will be unfair for Ryu fans to see the man defeated by his would have been doppleganger. I don't care if you call Ryo Sakazaki a Ryu clone, but aside from sharing Ryu's discipline, Ryo was created to ground up by something the Ryu creator was rejected from Capcom to changing Ryu into a better likable character instead of being protrayed boring. However, Ryu is still and far most the best fighting game main character. Ryo is a better fighter(Don't let his KOF inaccurate perpective spoil you) made with better philosophy to fighting in order to innovate limitless potential exceeding his style as the best. Quite opposite to Terry fighting to become the strongest and best fighter in the world. Ryo is a practical joker, but he's something that capcom and Dan fans will never come to realize his creation clearly. Embarrass the best Ryu clone, but he's a better kind.

Ryo will beat Ryu if he feels like using the rest of his moves that he taught and collibrate with his family and friends(Much like how Ryu parodized in SF2 V anime) Ryo doesn't call himself Mr. Karate just to be turned into an evil incarnation amusingly. It's really Ryo Sakazaki with everything he got and the Air Haohshoken and perfect Kyokugen Ougi.

Ryu's power level does increase dramatically as he progress, because the one move he taught alone is the Shin Sho Ryu Ken, one of the best Street Fighter supers and the arsenal rival to Akuma(Gouki) Shun Goku Satsu? This is a minority due to Capcom's ignorant of milking Ryu for years and years while SNK(Before they got bankrupted) Gave Ryo more personality the reflects him interesting, fun, and important to Terry's journey as the best fighter in the world and Ryo's style as the best martial art in the world.

Ryu is not fighting in the same boat as Ryo. He's not learning shotokan(or Ansatsuken for japanese canon) to make the style be the best, he's fighting for survival of the art's greatest endangerment and curse, which Akuma continues to make a bad name of it. The last wish of a dying man, his master, his father Gouken. I still represent the man and the original himself Ryu, but I like Ryo better and will sadly be greater in successfully winning the fight against Mr. Fight is All himself.

Oh by the way, I'm a Sean fan. Sean is sharing the same fate as Ryu from the dark hadou curse in SF3, why else is Akuma looking into Sean now that Ryu today finally manage to deal with the curse? 😄 Sean still addicted to learning more everyday to defeat Ryu which might end up awaken that deadly side effect of the fighiting style he learn from Ken.

Ryu vs Ryo, two karate fighters, one I formerly was a fan of and the other I current still a fan of. Two karate fighters, may the best karate fighter win.(Decisively Ryo imo)

You want Ryu to beat Ryo by turning into the dark hadou? Then you're putting him in a shame. Sad Ryu fans today are spoiled of the Evil Ryu incarnation that is NOT him..... 🙁 just look at the biased poll....

I must add some small history of Ryo, he took a job working a construction site at a very very young age and got into some fights with opponents very older than him. The only way to survive the streets of Southtown while his father was wandering and his mother gone. He's still helping Yuri the best he can while the Garcia family with Robert supports very little with the two.

so then Mr. Karate is Ryo at his limit... which shows that his "ougi" isnt limitless in the end..

I may be misunderstanding.. but it seems like all you're alluding to is that this may become a fight between dark hadou ryu and mr. karate ryo?.. we're focusing only on the regular incarnations of each character

also, in order to 'survive' you have to use your particular art to its fullest... which attributes ryu's learning of new techniques in his latest outing of SF3:3rd strike

I dont dislike ryo at all, nor feel as if he's ryu's doppleganger (thats too capcom fanboy'ish for me).. but I'm basing my opinion solely on card battle numbers and my experience with both characters in the actual fighting games

in my opinion, neither character has hit their limit yet (in their regular state).. its just that developers try to abuse the 'tried and true' formula of not fixing what isnt broken

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN

I dont dislike ryo at all, nor feel as if he's ryu's doppleganger (thats too capcom fanboy'ish for me)..

well.. can you honestly put a copywright on a karate uniform?..
as for techniques.. theres really only so many ways to kick and punch

I find him especially original in KoF 96 when he actually adopted more realistic fighting animations.. his fighting stance has since been awesome

I find Zanretsuken and HaoShoKouKen to be some of the most original techs in a fighting game... then of course are the super arts (which could include haoshokouken) ..plus I enjoy SNK's Joystick movements for some of the super arts.. I remember when crackshot used to be down to back to up-angle.. those were pretty fun

not to mention the very first art of fighting played very different from street fighter 2.. i.e. you could do different wall attacks.. and fireballs were destroyable with a punch..there was also the 'ki' bar.. that you couldnt perform special moves without..(very great idea imo.. prevents abusing of hadoken type nonsense).. its just that the latter became more popular

I dont recall ryo even having an uppercut until KoF series.. I could be wrong though

I think you are wrong about the uppercut, but if you're right, that makes it even worse for SNK. It's like they didn't think he was enough like Ryu so the gave him a fake dragon punch. Bad enough he already had a very similar fighting style(flying kick move---check. fireball-----check, back roll toss----check), a rich friend with more personality(remind you of someone), a similar name(one letter difference), a similar costume(sleeveless gi is only meant for Ansatsuken fighters😆 ), and similar work ethic. Come on. The dude looks like Ken and acts like Ryu. When SNK actually tries being original with the design of characters, they do a great job most of the time(Iori, Kyo, Geese, Terry, Mai, Blue Mary, etc.). They were NOT going for originality when they made Ryo

From wikipedia
After the released and success of Street Fighter II , rival video game company SNK created a game known in English as Art of Fighting. The principal character of this series, Ryo Sakazaki, bore a striking resemblance in appearance, fighting style, and name to Ryu of Street Fighter. When Capcom developed Street Figher Alpha, Ryo continued to be recreated in the King of Fighters game series. Therefore, in Street Fighter Alpha, Dan was created as a parody of Ryo and Robert Garcia, another character from AoF and KoF.

didnt wikipedia also give 'user entered' information about he-man?.. something about skeletor calling him a poopy head...penny arcade did a comic about it

most of the moves you've described him ripping off cant be copywritten.. the way the techniques are executed is what makes them interesting and stylish (and, ultimately, copywritten).. ryo's fireballs dont cross the screen anymore.. so its more like a flash punch.. jin seppu(senpuu?) kyaku only ever did 2 hits in the whole time its been in use.. thus I dont consider them ripoffs

honestly if we wanted to go far enough with this.. everyone is a ripoff.. they all have "Projectile" (hadouken, power wave, kioken etc) "Dashing / Advance Move" (burn knuckle, tatsumaki senpuu kyaku, spinning bird kick etc) "Anti-Air" (shoryuken , flash kick , rising tackle , power dunk etc) right?.. noone has reinvented that aspect.. and probably wont... but the difference for me is the way that that particular skill is used.. but I agree that the rising dragon punch is capcoms.. still.. whats Kyo's / Iori's excuse?.. his is burning and it spins.. thats the only difference.. so thats why I cant really spend my time harping on Ryo's "Doppleganger"ness 😖

Not everyone is a ripoff. You'll hardly ever hear that about SNKs other stars. Terry, Iori, Kyo all send projectiles across the ground. Rising tackle is cool looking and unique. As you said Iori/Kyo burn & spin which is also cool. These anti-air moves have personality to them. Ryo's just didn't. They were imitations. That part you wrote about his kyaku has a ring of truth to it though. They've done a good job making him more diverse recently w/the DVD and the flash punch thing. I still agree that Ryu'd beat his @$$ though. S.Ninja still hasn't put anything convincing up. No one but him has even mentioned E.Ryu to my knowledge. Normal Ryu KOs normal Ryo.

snk made a lot of characters around the same lvl

iori,
kyo
terry
ryo
K'

and a few others.. i don't think that Ryu can win from Ryo so easily.. even i also think that he is a rip off from Ken and Ryu

Back in the days

a saw.. Terry(american) rival to Ryo (japanese)

like Ken(american) rival to Ryu (japanese)

i don't know what Ryo is doing last days but i know that ryu is training hard with Oro... and i think that helps Ryu to his victory over Ryo ( and also Terry)

have Ryo won a battle from Terry???

According to P-Geyser he has in the HK comics

Originally posted by P-Geyser

The only two matches that Terry did not lose for a dumbass reasons is when he fought Ryo and K". Ofcourse the HK baised writers had Terry lose but Terry fought K' and Ryo the way he would have. He gave Ryo and K' a hard time.

Originally posted by brainchild81
According to P-Geyser he has in the HK comics If Ryu >>>>>Ryo & Ryo > Terry, doesn't that make Ryu>>>>>>Terry?

Well, Terry losesing to Ryo and K' is NOT cannon. And RYu has not been said to be stronger than Ryu, though many people (like me) think so. But since you like using inequalities: In SF III Ken>Ryu and Ken seems to rival Terry so RYU < TERRY. I think personally think they (ryu and terry) are equals.