The Trinity...is it monotheistic?

Originally posted by Punker69
My dad is a Father, Son, and a Husband but he is still MANUEL.

God is not three different people. He is one person filling out different roles.

you dont even listen to urself do u. ur dad is not omnipotent. your dad is not THE ONLY ONE. god does not have a father UNLIKE YOUR DAD. GOD DOES NOT HAVE ANY1 COMPAREABLE IN POWER unlike your dad who has you as a son and a DIFFERENT individual from himself{the reason he is a father is because he fathered YOU, a different being from himself} god does NOT have a father or creator UNLIKE your dad, who WAS created.

that was one of the most pathetic reasonings i have ever seen{did u hear that in church?} further evidence of how believers try to twist the conversation until the opposition is at a loss for words. if u reread your post you will see that the comparison makes NO SENSE watsoever.

Originally posted by Punker69

God is one person. He's not three different people. He's one being filling out different roles.

Originally posted by debbiejo
God is not a person....How can a god be a person? We are people, god is much bigger than that. For god to be a person would mean that we could all gang up on him.

God is all people and more. 😉

Originally posted by debbiejo
God is not a person....How can a god be a person? We are people, god is much bigger than that. For god to be a person would mean that we could all gang up on him.

Sorry, Didn't catch the word "person". My apologies.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
you dont even listen to urself do u. ur dad is not omnipotent. your dad is not THE ONLY ONE. god does not have a father UNLIKE YOUR DAD. GOD DOES NOT HAVE ANY1 COMPAREABLE IN POWER unlike your dad who has you as a son and a DIFFERENT individual from himself{the reason he is a father is because he fathered YOU, a different being from himself} god does NOT have a father or creator UNLIKE your dad, who WAS created.

Your whole first post was confusing as it is. I just tried to answer the question as best as I could.

You dont even seem to understand the Trinity so im not even going to discuss this with you.

actually its YOU who doesnt seem to understand thge trinity seeing as you just tried to explain it with the example of your own father in ways that make NO argument whatsoever.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
actually its YOU who doesnt seem to understand thge trinity seeing as you just tried to explain it with the example of your own father in ways that make NO argument whatsoever.

You just tried to explain it in a post where you kept mentioning GOD. And how HE doesn't have any equal . Like I said previously. Trinitarians dont believe there are different Gods. That would be Tritheism. Trinitarians believe the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all three DIFFERENT persons that are God.

Oneness believe that they are not three different persons but ONE God filling out different roles.

Its actually quite different if you think about it.

The explanation I gave about my father was not intended to get him to relate to Gods omnipotence. Its just an anology.

Trinitarians believe that since God operates as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit that the must be THREE DIFFERENT PERSONS.

I gave the anology to show that God can BE ONE being and still operate as the Father,Son, and the Holy Spirit. Just as my father can be ONE PERSON and still operate as a Father, Son, and Husband.

Im done arguing about this. This thread was not to discuss what Trinitarism is but to have a Biblical discussion where people show their various Bible verses that they think support the Trinity and what not.

Im done discussing what it is. If you want to know that then GOOGLE it.

so god is not MADE UP OF three things called the father, son and the holy ghost but each one of these is god in different forms? if THAT is true then how can god be his own father?!{jesus was the SON of god and mary was he not?! so the father basically concieved HIMSELFF from mary?! wtf?! thas just not logical{THINK about it} god sacrificed his ONLY BEGOTTEN "SON" "NOT" HIMSELF.

God is the father son and the holy ghost, actually They are all him, and god is one. being logical has nothing to do with any of this ❌ ever heard of miracles? They're not logical. And a Virgin giving birth? Not logical, but never prooven, just like god.

thats how you have to think of it

Originally posted by Revernd Maynard
God is the father son and the holy ghost, actually They are all him, and god is one. being logical has nothing to do with any of this ❌ ever heard of miracles? They're not logical. And a Virgin giving birth? Not logical, but never prooven, just like god.

thats how you have to think of it

Or not. 😎

only problem with THAT approach maynard, is the fact that your OWN relegion mentions that jesus was THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON. and that theres a father,son AND holy ghost. people just say god's beyond logic and thats that but you SHOULD think about it, even IF he was beyond logic what need did he have to go INTO the bounds of logic and imprgrante mary with HIMSELF?! and then pass of jesus{himself} as a GOD FEARING man who sacrificed himself BECAUSE of his father's command. that beyond logic*2 !!!!

heck next you could say that god does the opposite of what he says but because hes BEYOND logic, such logic cannot be applied to him and its only YOU{me} infront of whom torturing people is wrong but since hes beyond logic he can and will do anything and any1 who LOGICALLY opposes him{no1 can oppose without some inherent logic ni the mind even one based on beliefs} is wrong and will be killed and that IS justice because god wills it to be since hes beyond logic.{see the confusion and ridiculous outcomes of making things beyond logic}

Originally posted by leonheartmm
so god is not MADE UP OF three things called the father, son and the holy ghost but each one of these is god in different forms? if THAT is true then how can god be his own father?!{jesus was the SON of god and mary was he not?! so the father basically concieved HIMSELFF from mary?! wtf?! thas just not logical{THINK about it} god sacrificed his ONLY BEGOTTEN "SON" "NOT" HIMSELF.

When have Christ' actions ever been "logical"? When he hilled the blind man by using spit and clay, whats that logical? When through God Moses parted the Red Sea, was the logical? Jesus rising from the dead after three days, was that logical. Before you start trying to understand this you need to first stop trying to limit God.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
.{see the confusion and ridiculous outcomes of making things beyond logic}

Its really not confusing. You're just making it confusing.

How can it be a Father and a Son, wouldn't it have more since to be a Father and a Mother, or a Father and a Brother?.....You can't be both a Father and a Son. It doesn't make since to have a father be a son, and each be part of each other, It just goes against nature....

I guess it's late here....lol

Originally posted by debbiejo
How can it be a Father and a Son, wouldn't it have more since to be a Father and a Mother, or a Father and a Brother?.....You can't be both a Father and a Son. It doesn't make since to have a father be a son, and each be part of each other, It just goes against nature....

I guess it's late here....lol

I think what you mean to say is that it is impossible for one to be his own father or if you prefer, for one to be his own son.

Originally posted by Punker69
When have Christ' actions ever been "logical"? When he hilled the blind man by using spit and clay, whats that logical? When through God Moses parted the Red Sea, was the logical? Jesus rising from the dead after three days, was that logical. Before you start trying to understand this you need to first stop trying to limit God.

wrong again. to begin with there is absolutely no plausible evidence to suggest that these MIRACLES ever took place. but more importantly these actions were 100% LOGICAL. they werent scientifically "POSSIBLE" but they were LOGICAL. jesus gave back the site of a blind man due to love for humans and an innate ability to help people who did not have as much as humans are born with. moses parted the red sea because he wished his people to be free of the tyrrany and slavery induced by the chasing armies of the pharoah. jesus rose back from the dead to tell to his followers to not forget him and his teachings merely because he was dead and motivate them. ALL of these actions had an UNDERSTANDIBLE and COMPREHENDIBLE{and hence LOGICAL} REASONING behind them. hence one can ask the question that WHY did jesus do this and the replier can come up with a perfectly understandable answer. LOGIC is considered basically by asking "WHY" sumthing happened not "HOW" it happened. "HOW" is concerned with the mechanics behind the implementation or acomplichment of a feat, and therefore its not logic thats involved there, its infact SCIENTIFIC PLAUSIBILITY.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
I think what you mean to say is that it is impossible for one to be his own father or if you prefer, for one to be his own son.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
wrong again. to begin with there is absolutely no plausible evidence to suggest that these MIRACLES ever took place.

Well as long as we where talking about God I was making the safe assumption 🙄

Originally posted by Punker69
Well as long as we where talking about God I was making the safe assumption 🙄

if youd seen god and his powers thatd be an acceptable answer and your sarcasm might have been justified...... but since god has even lesser evidence to back him up than jesus and his miracles............ well you get my point dont you.{nice to see that you have sumthin resemblin a sense of humour though}

Originally posted by leonheartmm
if youd seen god and his powers thatd be an acceptable answer and your sarcasm might have been justified...... but since god has even lesser evidence to back him up than jesus and his miracles............ well you get my point dont you.{nice to see that you have sumthin resemblin a sense of humour though}

I have seen God and his powers. I dont want to go into it right now. I've said various times on this religion forum of what i've seen and what not and I dont really want to explain it again just for you.

I do have a sense of humor. Look, I'm using the youpie smiley youpi