although you know alot about phoenix, i'd say you know little about juggernaut GS...
a few things need to be corrected. juggernaut CAN return to this reality, regardless of where a spell puts him. provided he has a "beacon" of sorts to guide him. he can and has smashed through realities to get back to earth. which is a form of teleportation. he has done this on his own power, and when influenced by others. so he CAN return.
also, juggernaut is protected by the bands of cyttorak. which are comprised of energy that holds the 616 universe together (stated by dr strange).
so in theory, since juggernauts durability is based on reality, to physically harm him, you would have to be so strong that you could literally bend the laws with physical might. which is beyond 99% of characters in the MU. i believe eternity capable of this however.
Originally posted by KillAll
although you know alot about phoenix, i'd say you know little about juggernaut GS...a few things need to be corrected. juggernaut CAN return to this reality, regardless of where a spell puts him. provided he has a "beacon" of sorts to guide him. he can and has smashed through realities to get back to earth. which is a form of teleportation. he has done this on his own power, and when influenced by others. so he CAN return.
also, juggernaut is protected by the bands of cyttorak. which are comprised of energy that holds the 616 universe together (stated by dr strange).
so in theory, since juggernauts durability is based on reality, to physically harm him, you would have to be so strong that you could literally bend the laws with physical might. which is beyond 99% of characters in the MU. i believe eternity capable of this however.
Dont presume to tell me the extent of my comic book knowledge KA. Especially when in this post you seem to be replying to points i never made in the first place.
Please tell me where in any of this thread ive made reference to Juggs inability to return to his home reality from another. 😕
With that in mind just who do you think you are correcting? I'll write it off as a misinterpretation. Lets forget about it KA. 🙂
The crimson bands may apparrently be made of the same energy that holds 616 together but so what. Whats your point? 😕
That says nothing conclusive about just who can and cant take him out. Just tells us the nature of the energy he's protected by. He still derives a limited amount of that energy from Cytorrak who himself is not omnipotent as an Elder God. Anyone significantly beyond Elder God level can destroy Juggs.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
If Shaman is a skilled telepath then he would be able to take him out that way.
That he is, oh and Guardian has the ability to shut people's brains off.
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Also it was stated you can't escape from the Void, even looking into takes your mind away....literally. If Jugz gets pulled into the VOid he won't be coming out.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
he really could. 😕Eternitys exponentially more powerful than Cytorrak who at most is elder god level.
This isn't exactly true.
Enternity embodies this Universe/Dimension.
Cyttorak, like Dormamu, and Mephisto, rule their own Dimensions/Universes. These dimensions are not part of this universe.
So, in reality, they are more than just Gods. Or, at least, different than just a God. A God, or Skyfather, may not even be a ruler of a Dimension or Universe. Depending on who we are talking about.
But, these guys, Cyttorak, etc, all, somehow managed to take over an entire dimension. Meaning, they are up there. Way up there.
See how Galactus "visited" Aggomotto, and Aggy put the serious Kibosh on Galactus. That was in Aggomotto's reality. And he isn't what you would call a Skyfather, or even a God really.
Originally posted by Horrificus
This isn't exactly true.Enternity embodies this Universe/Dimension.
Cyttorak, like Dormamu, and Mephisto, rule their own Dimensions/Universes. These dimensions are not part of this universe.
So, in reality, they are more than just Gods. Or, at least, different than just a God. A God, or Skyfather, may not even be a ruler of a Dimension or Universe. Depending on who we are talking about.
But, these guys, Cyttorak, etc, all, somehow managed to take over an entire dimension. Meaning, they are up there. Way up there.
See how Galactus "visited" Aggomotto, and Aggy put the serious Kibosh on Galactus. That was in Aggomotto's reality. And he isn't what you would call a Skyfather, or even a God really.
Incorrect. While you were right in saying that Eternity is the embodiment of the 616 universe, Cytorrak rules a pocket dimension. (Big difference!!!!) The kind Franklin Richards can create on a whim and even he is potentially only Celestial level as stated on panel.
Cytorrak being the ruler of the Crimson Cosmos does not anywhere near equate him to an embodiment of a universe. Many beings rule their own pocket dimensions, Nightmare and D'Spayre for example, even Asgard is a pocket dimension. Theres no evidence whatsoever that Cytorrak is beyond skyfather/elder god level. His showings against his own avatar really dont help your case.
The likes of Galactus and upwards are certainly more powerful than Cytorrak and as such would cremate Juggy. 🙁
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
but why did galactus flee for his life when thor shot him with the god force blast when he shot juggernaut with it nothing happened to him he didn't even fellt it
I trust you know what happens when Galactus hasnt eaten for a lil while. No further comments on the matter should be necessary.
Originally posted by golem370
Looks like what Juggernaut would have to do his take them one at a time and then sneak attack Shaman You could have Box,Vindicator,Guadian & Sasquatch fighting Juggernaut at the same time and they all lose to him in a fight.
All of those members would at least be able to slow him down giving Shaman the seconds he needs to take Juggs out telepathically. Plus im sure Shaman could temporarily place himself out of harms way via levitation or through mystic shields. As his telepathy is mystic based and magic can affect Jugg regardless then the removal of his helmet would surely be unnecessary. Alpha Flight wins.
Originally posted by GalacticStormJust a question where is your on panel proof that Cyttorak isn't as strong as those guys 😉
Incorrect. While you were right in saying that Eternity is the embodiment of the 616 universe, Cytorrak rules a pocket dimension. (Big difference!!!!) The kind Franklin Richards can create on a whim and even he is potentially only Celestial level as stated on panel.Cytorrak being the ruler of the Crimson Cosmos does not anywhere near equate him to an embodiment of a universe. Many beings rule their own pocket dimensions, Nightmare and D'Spayre for example, even Asgard is a pocket dimension. Theres no evidence whatsoever that Cytorrak is beyond skyfather/elder god level. His showings against his own avatar really dont help your case.
The likes of Galactus and upwards are certainly more powerful than Cytorrak and as such would cremate Juggy. 🙁
Originally posted by newjak86
Just a question where is your on panel proof that Cyttorak isn't as strong as those guys 😉
He has no feats to show hes anywhere near those guys, plus his combat showings further support that he isnt. It doesnt work like that. The question is wheres the proof to show that he is anywhere near those guys?
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Plus im sure Shaman could temporarily place himself out of harms way via levitation or through mystic shields.
Yep, and his sheilds are powerful....and HUGE! Here Shaman puts a massive mystic barrier around Department H preventing the manifestion to grow even further
1. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/w_179_004.jpg
2. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/w_179_005.jpg
Or if he really wants to be badass, just freezes time...."Shush!"
1. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/scan0014.jpg
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Yep, and his sheilds are powerful....and HUGE! Here Shaman puts a massive mystic barrier around Department H preventing the manifestion to grow even further1. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/w_179_004.jpg
2. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/w_179_005.jpgOr if he really wants to be badass, just freezes time...."Shush!"
1. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/scan0014.jpg
Bah , Juggs stampedes through all these canadians.
