Qui-Gon Jinn, Ben Kenobi and Jolee Bindo vs Count Dooku.

Originally posted by Fishy
Before the Jedi Civil War nobody even knew about Jolee he was a hermit, he went into hiding. He wasn't a great Jedi Knight the Jedi Order didn't look for him. How the disciple knew about him is beyond me, but he probably learned something about Jolee travelling with Revan and decided he was important. But being a Jedi that has seen and travelled a lot and being a great Jedi are two completely different things.

QGJ and Obi Wan wouldn't work well together anymore. Its been 10 years since Obi Wan last fought with QGJ and he started learning a different style.

Well the fact that the disciple knew about him disproves what you said, and just because hardly anybody mentioned him, it doesn't mean that they didn't know of him. In fact why would they mention him? The jedi would usually be ashamed of someone resigning and would not likely talk about his exploits. And if the disciple was really talking about his adventures with Revan, don't you think he would have said Revan's adventures?

Originally posted by zod360
Actually he tells Revan about it. His wife was seduced by Kun's teachings and turned against Bindo and the jedi. And even though he hibernated in the shadowlands for quite a long time, he then helpd Revan on his quest and fought in the jedi civil war. And we know that Jinn trained Kenobi the art of becoming a force ghost, so why wouldn't he have trained him in the force.

As you can see, I have backed up everything I have said.

As I can see, what you just said opens up into a web of assumptions.

He helped Revan? How do you know he was with him constantly or even partially during their adventure? Does it say that Jolee canonically even participated in the wars? For all you know, he only killed ten people. Hell, maybe not even.

Actually, near the end of RotS, It basically shows that Yoda is about to teach Kenobi how to communicate with Qui Gon so it could have been Yoda, not Jinn. Don't make such foolish assumptions.

Originally posted by Lörd Sorgo
As I can see, what you just said opens up into a web of assumptions.

He helped Revan? How do you know he was with him constantly or even partially during their adventure? Does it say that Jolee canonically even participated in the wars? For all you know, he only killed ten people. Hell, maybe not even.

Actually, near the end of RotS, It basically shows that Yoda is about to teach Kenobi how to communicate with Qui Gon so it could have been Yoda, not Jinn. Don't make such foolish assumptions.

It is obvious that Revan would have taken his jedi companions with him on the Star Forge, and as he was also his most powerful companion bar Bastilla, it is likely that he accompanied him on many of his missions. And it is obvious that Revan's crew helped him on his quest. This is implied throughout the game. And you have completely misinterpreted the end of ROTS if that is what you believe.

Originally posted by zod360
Well the fact that the disciple knew about him disproves what you said, and just because hardly anybody mentioned him, it doesn't mean that they didn't know of him. In fact why would they mention him? The jedi would usually be ashamed of someone resigning and would not likely talk about his exploits. And if the disciple was really talking about his adventures with Revan, don't you think he would have said Revan's adventures?

It doesn't disprove anything. I said that he could have learned about Jolee because he learned Jolee travelled with Revan, and why would he talk about Revan's adventures, thats common knowledge and history no way in hell that the Jedi Order would lose information about that. Information about Jolee however could easily have been lost and therefor finding it would be a higher priority of the disciple then knowledge about Revan.

Besides he could have been talking about Jolee because he found out some things about Jolee, but that still in no way proves that Jolee is powerful or great. If he was Revan would have captured or killed him the first time they went to the Star Map on Kashyyyk. Obviously he believed Jolee wasn't important enough.

Originally posted by Fishy
It doesn't disprove anything. I said that he could have learned about Jolee because he learned Jolee travelled with Revan, and why would he talk about Revan's adventures, thats common knowledge and history no way in hell that the Jedi Order would lose information about that. Information about Jolee however could easily have been lost and therefor finding it would be a higher priority of the disciple then knowledge about Revan.

Besides he could have been talking about Jolee because he found out some things about Jolee, but that still in no way proves that Jolee is powerful or great. If he was Revan would have captured or killed him the first time they went to the Star Map on Kashyyyk. Obviously he believed Jolee wasn't important enough.

Revan would have captured or killed him? The canonical Revan is lightsided, and seeing how Jolee didn't in any way show hostility, why would Revan do these things?

And Sorgo, Yoda makes it clear that he would train Kenobi on how to communicate with Jinn, and that Jinn had training for him. It is very likely that Jinn trained him in more ways then how to become a spirit.

There is also going to be a last of the jedi series of ten books. This will likely reveal lots of things that Kenobi does after the rise of the empire, and do you really think that they would write ten books about Kenobi doing nothing.

Zod360 = Numan?

Originally posted by zod360
There is also going to be a last of the jedi series of ten books. This will likely reveal lots of things that Kenobi does after the rise of the empire, and do you really think that they would write ten books about Kenobi doing nothing.

He doesn't necessarily have to train. And where'd you hear this?

Yes but there are not going to be ten books on him doing nothing. And yes it is Numan. I am trying to get my ban uplifted by following all of the rules (apart from multiple accounts) and lay off the insults and immaturity.

how about correcting your age while you're at it?

10 is not the required minium age of 15, and yes i cant be bothered to spell.

PS how about stop degrading the most powerful force user aka Ragnos, and accept that DN Luke cant beat him.

Well that is something that I obviously can't do, so I am just going to hope they will allow me to go on anyway. I sent a message to Rex saying that if the mods uplift my ban, I will follow the rules and lay off insults and follow any other conditions they say.

You're 10. Minimum age is 13. You don't want to play with the big boys. Get over it. Go find something else to do until you're 13.

I wouldn't really call you one of the "big boys" Arker. I wouldn't quite put you in that catagory. You are more in the DE Calvin catagory.

I didn't say I was. There are more than just teens on this forum, you know.

And stop socking, there's no point in doing it if no one has your respect or trust.

Originally posted by zod360
Well that is something that I obviously can't do, so I am just going to hope they will allow me to go on anyway. I sent a message to Rex saying that if the mods uplift my ban, I will follow the rules and lay off insults and follow any other conditions they say.

Rules are rules, you would've been wise not to mention your age, adding unto the fact, you cannot debate with proper logic, and i dont blame you, you're rather young.

Also, use more caution, you know how childish that sounds? and what a futile promise that is? Obviously, if you changed aliase and perhaps changed your location, and lied better, and perhaps edited your profile, none of us will know exactly how old nor who you were, blatantly declaring you're a banned member does not bode well for you.

Originally posted by w00t2112
Rules are rules, you would've been wise not to mention your age, adding unto the fact, you cannot debate with proper logic, and i dont blame you, you're rather young.

Also, use more caution, you know how childish that sounds? and what a futile promise that is? Obviously, if you changed aliase and perhaps changed your location, and lied better, and perhaps edited your profile, none of us will know exactly how old nor who you were, blatantly declaring you're a banned member does not bode well for you.

Just because you do not agree with my views, it doesn't mean that I don't use logic. I've used plenty in this debate for example. And if I really didn't want people to know I was Numan, I would do all those things listed. I want people to know its me and how banning me won't make a difference and at least that I will follow the rules and stuff if my ban is uplifted.

That's what w00t is saying.

YOU CAN'T BE HERE AND FOLLOW ALL THE RULES IF YOU'RE UNDERAGED.

In fact, that's one of the most important rules.

Originally posted by zod360
Revan would have captured or killed him? The canonical Revan is lightsided, and seeing how Jolee didn't in any way show hostility, why would Revan do these things?

THe first time I said that in the other post... but you probably just missed it with your oh so great reading skills.

And the first time Revan was on the Dark Side, and well on his way to become or perhaps he already was a Sith Lord.

It is very likely that Revan and Malak did not come across Bindo. Bindo would have remembered if they had.