Beta Ray Bill vs. Morg
Beta Ray, the extraterrestial Thor look-a-like using his Odin-given hammer faces the most brutish of Galactus' heralds, Morg. No preparation time, fight takes place on Earth in a landscape full of handy if makeshift weaponry such as construction beams and lamp posts.
Which alien wins?
Why is it that nobody references a speed advantage for Morg, when it's the piece de resistance in the bag of arguments for a Surfer fan, and brought up ad nauseum in the Surfer v. Thor thread??
By all rights, BRB is no faster than Thor in terms of combat reflexes, and even if Morg is < Surfer in overall speed, he's in the same ballpark.
Morg 9/10, because screw double standards.
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Originally posted by DigiMark007
Why is it that nobody references a speed advantage for Morg, when it's the piece de resistance in the bag of arguments for a Surfer fan, and brought up ad nauseum in the Surfer v. Thor thread??By all rights, BRB is no faster than Thor in terms of combat reflexes, and even if Morg is < Surfer in overall speed, he's in the same ballpark.
Morg 9/10, because screw double standards.
biscuits
Just one little problem. Morg.........is an idiot. dur
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Just one little problem. Morg.........is an idiot. dur
Double standards in general though. I couldn't care less about this particular fight.
I made a comment in the Loki v. Heralds thread that he'd clear most of them, and I was waiting for someone to call shenanigans on me for the same reason. Never happened. He's a less strong Thor with some spells and somehow he can match heralds that supposedly run circles around Thor. Not right.
And it shoudl still apply to this fight if the difference is that vast.
Originally posted by Avlon
When has Morg displayed Superspeed outside of flying?I'll have to go with BRB unless Morg has the waters of life.
He did just dandy against Stardust who I find to be more powerful than Morg.
And Surfer used his speed advantage in his fights with Thor? Hell, when has he used it outside of flying? I can think of one instance offhand, and while I'm not a Surfer expert I'm also not a novice with his feats.
This is what I'm saying. Does Morg have super speed? Do the forum rules state that characters fight at peak abilities? At least the second is yes. If you answered yes to the first, then Morg wins this. And given heralds travel speeds, and thus the need for fast reflexes, and similar power source, I see no reason why it shouldn't be. Obviously, it wouldn't be written as such (see BRB/Stardust) but that's how it should go down if we grant that heralds are all in the same ballpark as one another reflexes-wise.
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Originally posted by DigiMark007
And Surfer used his speed advantage in his fights with Thor? Hell, when has he used it outside of flying? I can think of one instance, and while I'm not a Surfer expert I'm also not a novice with his feats.
Surfer has never been a speedster in H2H. I've never seen any of the heralds use any kind of Superspeed outside of traveling with their weapons/devices.
I don't see speed on either side as an issue here.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
This is what I'm saying. Does Morg have super speed? Do the forum rules state that characters fight at peak abilities? At least the second is yes. If you answered yes to the first, then Morg wins this.😉
Have you seen him use it in H2H or in battle? Thor and BRB fly pretty fast too with their hammers. I don't see speed as an advantage in H2H as they should be about the same speed.
Originally posted by Avlon
Surfer has never been a speedster in H2H. I've never seen any of the heralds use any kind of Superspeed outside of traveling with their weapons/devices.I don't see speed on either side as an issue here.
Have you seen him use it in H2H or in battle? Thor and BRB fly pretty fast too with their hammers. I don't see speed as an advantage in H2H as they should be about the same speed.
Heh. We're actually pretty much in agreement here. I was playing devil's advocate with arguments that have been used against me.
Anyway, go say that in the Surfer v. Thor thread. They need to hear it. Though, to be fair, Surfer has at least once attacked while traveling faster than lightspeed (that I know of), though he was merely circling his opponent, not changing direction like "H2H speed" would imply.
But you're right about Morg, and I agree. I'd actually give BRB the majority here, but I feel like a double standard exists for heralds where people will attribute FTL attacks to Surfer and godly reaction times, while saying that the "regular speed" people of the world (BRB among them) could hang with any other herald. The heralds should at least be close to one another in terms of reactions time, so what is true for one should be at least partially true for the others...but that often isn't the case.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Heh. We're actually pretty much in agreement here. I was playing devil's advocate with arguments that have been used against me.
I always thought the speed thing to be pretty obvious. BRB and Thor aren't that different from Heralds if one really thinks about it. Their main difference being their power source (divine power vs Cosmic Energy.)
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Anyway, go say that in the Surfer v. Thor thread. They need to hear it. Though, to be fair, Surfer has at least once attacked while traveling faster than lightspeed (that I know of), though he was merely circling his opponent, not changing direction like "H2H speed" would imply.
Truth and fanboyism do not mix. It's annoying enough debating against the sheer numbers of blockheads who debate with fallacies against characters that I usually back.
On Thors end, a Godblast should end SS handily. They have ways of beating each other though. It's not particularly lopsided in any direction.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
But you're right about Morg, and I agree. I'd actually give BRB the majority here, but I feel like a double standard exists for heralds where people will attribute FTL attacks to Surfer and godly reaction times, while saying that the "regular speed" people of the world (BRB among them) could hang with any other herald. The heralds should at least be close to one another in terms of reactions time, so what is true for one should be at least partially true for the others...but that often isn't the case.
Cosmics get preferential treatment simply based on potential vs other characters that must have "proof" of every little action and even then every subtlety must be debated to death.
The Spidey vs Firelord rule only seems to apply to... Spidey vs Firelord. It's usually ignored in many other cases.
Glad to see were on the same side on this one though.