Originally posted by Ushgarak
It's just influencing people. You can't go calling out morality on that, else chamrmers go in the dock. it';s not mental domination, it's a tool of persuasion.They never con anyone with it.
no...sorry
credits will do.
no they wont (watto makes his stance on the issue clear)
credits WILL do.
if thats not attempting to trick someone into going against their will then i'm harrison ford...but you never know...i could very well be.
I believe that Palpatine(Sith) IS using his mind controlling power( a mind trick) during much of the prequels: >>>
1.He got Valorum removed from office.
Remember his line (from Episode1) to Amidala; "You could call for a vote of no confidence in Chancellor Valorum" > pure genius, look at his face in that shot.
2.Remember this one(Episode2); "Senator Amidala will not refuse an executive order....I know her well enough to assure you of that!"> that look when he's saying that.
3.Palpatine stayed in office long after his two terms.
Mace Windu(Episode3); "He has control of the senate and the courts...he's too dangerous to be left alive!" <<<
Okay perhaps Amidala isn't weak minded and not all the people in the senate are, but you're talking about THE Dark lord of the Sith here who's doing manipulation, mind tricks, clouding the Jedi's vision etc....you could say it's one big mind trick fueled by the Dark Side.
Originally posted by Sesse
Dont forget the Episode 2 scene:Sidious: "But what senator woud do such a radical move. etc.."
The guy with blue head: "If only...*trick?*.. Senator Amidala were here"
Jarjar: "Mui mui! Mesa gonna vote!"
i think that was just straight up manipulation. if it was a mind trick he would have simply waved his hand and said "you will call for an emergency powers vote". instead he played on jarjar's want to impress everyone and be a hero. just look at that shit eating grin on his face when everyone starts cheering.
ok heres a question I have...supposedly the force choke is meant to be a darkside power right? Ok well last night i was watching Ep3 with the commentary on to see what GL and company say about certain scenes and whatnot. The part where GG is going to speak with Sidious via hologram, they say his reason for his chronic cough was explained in the Clone Wars and that while fighting Mace, Mace force choked the shit out of him and crushed his throat more or less and thats why he coughs.
So we know that the mind trick can go both ways, but can the force choke be used a lightside attack? I dont mean to ask can a jedi do it, cause obviously they can, but is it one of those things thats either white or black, no gray area? If Mace used it was it because he was treading on the darkside or what? Give yor thoughts.
Yep, Luke Skywalker force-chokes the pig-guard in Jabba's Palace. So that was a good side use of the force choke.
Unless the Force is just the Force, and when it is used for dark purposes it is called the Dark Side of the Force, and used for good it is the good side of the Force. Maybe we're just splittin' hairs
Re: About the mind trick...
Originally posted by Blaxican_Jedino powers are actually light or dark. It is how you use them.
Shouldn't the Jedi mind trick be more of a dark side move? Because the darkside is more about domination and control and such, and the jedi mind trick, although their is differnt variations of it, had to do mostly with forcing someone against their will mentaly to perform an action. The jedi is basicly enslaving that persons mind.
Except the SITH-lightning ofcourse.
Very few Jedi can absorb it and perhaps fewer Jedi can actually throw it. Yoda for example: > in ep2 he did not only absorb it, but actually returned the favor.
In episode3 he only reflects it back at Sidious(because he IS more powerfull in my oppinion, but we discussed that before...so forget I said that....cough cough).
So yeah it´s the way you use it.....