Originally posted by batdude123I didn't mean just strength when I said physical advantages concering the fight in the post above. I meant any 'on paper' advantages as written, strength, skill, speed, etc. Stating their gadets, teamwork, and strategic mastery will account for any disadvantages of that kind.
Except for Elektra and DD (They don't really have more strength than team Batman)
Originally posted by batdude123Yeah, but Cap is close, and the other two matches, Daredevil has powers advantage over Dick, and experience Electra has over Tim. But team Batman has experience with eachother, intimate knowledge of how eachother fight, and strategic advantage with all three being solo characters and team leaders on top. As well as all their gadgetry.
But Batman is like the most skilled fighter here.
Speaking of underestimating, i think theam Marvel is being underestimated here as well. Dont get me wrong, i agree with everyone in saying that the Batman team does have more experience fighting together, but team Marvel has alot of experience fighting together as well. Elektra and Daredevil were training and or fighting together since they were their late teens. Even when they grew older and parted ways, they would still hook up on many occasions. Cap and DD have also teamed up quite a few times and are very familiar with each others way of fighting and abilities. True the Marvel team doesnt have the umpteen extensive years like Dick and Bats, but DD and Elektra does have umpteen years as well.
This fight is a 3 on 3, and Although the DC team has much experience fighting with each other, i think its going to be more of a 1on1, 1on1 and 1on1 machup. I dont see much switching going on unless say Bats sees that NW is struggling with DD or Cap or DD decides that it would be a better matchup if he were to fight Bats and let Cap fight NW instead.
To me, the most team DC has going for them is the gadgets and then again thats not even a sure bet imo.
Originally posted by batdude123
Except for Elektra and DD (They don't really have more strength than team Batman)
Both DD and Elektra are peak human level in strength. Ofcourse Cap is higher, but they both are at peak levels also. And before it gets asked, no i dont know Elektras highest strength level feat.
it really depends on where theyre fighting and when...if its in an arena with like a linear scenario, team marvel takes it, mainly cuz of Captain America's brute strength and DD's near superhuman reflexes thus being able to counter blows, but if it was in say...Gotham City or New York City or just a large industrial city with a high population at night, team bats takes this..buildings, streets, alleys, dumpsters-places to hide ect. these are all things batman (as well as nightwing and robin to an extent) can utilize to his advantage like no one else can, and thats why they would win....thats why bats can take down a whole room full of like 10 guys armed with machine guns...he does it indirectly, thats the key feel me, cuz batman wouldnt be able to take down 10 guys w/ guns all standing directly in front of him like in an arena, so it really depends on where this takes place
I don't think location would matter much at all... Mostly because of DD's radar sense, but Cap and Elektra are both plenty good at sensing incoming attacks and such.
Team Bats is simply outskilled. I'd give Batman a very thin majority over Cap, if only because his gadgets are much more useful aginst other street levelers than the shield. (on the other side of the coin, Cap's shield remains useful for anyone into herald levels)
Besides Cap and Batman, Daredevil and Elektra VERY clearly outclass Tim Drake and Dick Grayson. I'm not disrespecting them, but Nightwing gets by on having good agility. Daredevil's agility is arguably better, and his enhanced senses basically give him a form of precog. Whatever Nightwing can do, Daredevil can do better. Tim Drake is cool, but he's still a kid... In a fight, he can't stand up to Batman. He's simply not as physically good, nor is he quite as skilled. He's good, yes, but Batman is clearly better. Similarly, Elektra outclasses him in everything but sleuthing. Awesome as he is, Tim's getting beaten up.
Basically, Tim and Dick get murdered, Bruce gets triple teamed. I don't see many points going to the Batman side here at all.
Originally posted by braz
but if it was in say...Gotham City or New York City or just a large industrial city with a high population at night, team bats takes this..buildings, streets, alleys, dumpsters-places to hide ect. these are all things batman (as well as nightwing and robin to an extent) can utilize to his advantage like no one else can, and thats why they would win...
Daredevil and Elektra are 2 of the top ninjas in Marvel. Elektra is said to be the best. If the fight was in that environment such as a high populated city at night, DD and Elektra would try to use that to their advantage as well. Thing is that it wouldnt give them much advantage over the Bat team just as it wouldnt give the Bat team an advantage over them.
I'm tempted to go with Marvel because Tim would probably be the weak link (not that he is weak, but he couldn't trouble any of the opposition three), Cap has the whole super soldier thing going on and DareDevil has the radar sense.
Where it Batgirl (the last one) instead of Tim, I'd probably go for DC. Batman/Cap, DareDevil/Nightwing would be stalemates for quite a while before anyone got the break through, Tim wouldn't last that long against Elektra.