Originally posted by xyz revolution
If you look at us at the moment and go forward in time, we're getting more and more well built and complex and advanced. So if you go back in time, the opposite should happen. Eventually you'll get into something simple as a single cell organism. Cells are made up of elements called Hydrogen, Nitrogen, Oxygen and Carbon. Now, because of gravity, heat and energy, these could of come together at one point on this earth due to those laws creating cells. Now there are no proof on where the elements came togethor but hydrogen can react with itself causing other elements which does happen. So where did the hydrogen come from? We may never know. But a Big-Bang shows the rush of energy and Hydrogen. And after that things develop over time.
*pssss there is no creation. Time is an illusion, and the universe has always been and always will be. The big band is just the last pulse of a flashing light in the nothingness. But don't tell anyone.*
Originally posted by Shakyamunisonthat's creationism again 😆
Aliens planted the DNA just to make us. 😆 hysterical jk
Originally posted by leonheartmm✅ you might be interested to know that Venuus coould of been like Earth and Saturn's moon Titan may be like a pre-earth because of it's similar climates. So why don't we look at it's development of species. Or is god starting again?
you know what i think, as particle's and compunds got constantly more complex which in turn lead to even more complexity, life/conciouncs is the eventual goal of ALL matter that is given an enviornment to combine and get increasingly complicated and if given enough time and stable conditions, ALL planets will eventually harbour something resembling life.{specially if you study viruses which arent exactly biological/organic things but just because of complicating the non organic particles and continuous chemical reactions and combination, they can be said to harbour at the EDGE of living and non living, n they can also mutate very VERY easily which could give us insight into how an organism that hasnt QUITE qualified to be called biological life can easily mutate and thus answer the questions of how life could survive so easily in its initial stages of development without having adapted or developed specialized surviveability features.}
Originally posted by ShakyamunisonYes. The Big Bang is where everything rushes out, when it stops, everything will go backwards untill the pressure is too great. For every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction.
*pssss there is no creation. Time is an illusion, and the universe has always been and always will be. The big band is just the last pulse of a flashing light in the nothingness. But don't tell anyone.*
Originally posted by xyz revolution
Yes. The Big Bang is where everything rushes out, when it stops, everything will go backwards untill the pressure is too great. For every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction.
Over and over again throughout eternity.
What is really cool is that we can now understand this because of what we know, but it is a very old idea. These people back thousands of years ago were smart. 😎
the development of concionce/self awareness can be understood better with computers. since all programs are basically made up of 0s and 1s which on their own are NUTHING but blips on a screen or actually even simpler, a rush of electron in a wire/circuit. but wonderful intelligences can be made up by adding/joining and complicating these pulses{which the basic circuit interprets as electricity, your prosessor interprets as os and 1s and the program on a WHOLE interprets as commands. now the relationship between running electrons and commands/reactions is as vague as between randomly distributed matter and a talking thinkin human being{even though the first example is simplified} and it is THIS that most relegious humans or even normal humans cannot comprehend, HOW can sumthing so lifeless/simple turn into a complex and PERFECT{which is a wrong assumption since a human being is perfect only in ITS state of thought which is based merely on complicated combination of simpler units, infact its not any more perfect that a rock, its only ones thinking} without a creator when its actually POSSIBLE and PROBABLE that it can happen without anything aiding it. the simple fact is, that our THOUGHTS/ emotions are sumthing like 10th generation{or higher} computer languages{trying to explain here} just like a program created with the BASE language of C++ cannot take instructions nor interpret an analog code{0s and 1s} when basically, at the very core, 0s and 1s and ultimately kinetic energy of electrons flowing in paths of less resistance are what it actually made of.in similar ways, human beings who are so complex cannot imagine that they come from reletive simplicity and with their high level complex emotions, they dream up explanations which are easier for their current complex forms to bear with.
{sry, i get carried away}
Originally posted by leonheartmm😬 I guess.
the development of concionce/self awareness can be understood better with computers. since all programs are basically made up of 0s and 1s which on their own are NUTHING but blips on a screen or actually even simpler, a rush of electron in a wire/circuit. but wonderful intelligences can be made up by adding/joining and complicating these pulses{which the basic circuit interprets as electricity, your prosessor interprets as os and 1s and the program on a WHOLE interprets as commands. now the relationship between running electrons and commands/reactions is as vague as between randomly distributed matter and a talking thinkin human being{even though the first example is simplified} and it is THIS that most relegious humans or even normal humans cannot comprehend, HOW can sumthing so lifeless/simple turn into a complex and PERFECT{which is a wrong assumption since a human being is perfect only in ITS state of thought which is based merely on complicated combination of simpler units, infact its not any more perfect that a rock, its only ones thinking} without a creator when its actually POSSIBLE and PROBABLE that it can happen without anything aiding it. the simple fact is, that our THOUGHTS/ emotions are sumthing like 10th generation{or higher} computer languages{trying to explain here} just like a program created with the BASE language of C++ cannot take instructions nor interpret an analog code{0s and 1s} when basically, at the very core, 0s and 1s and ultimately kinetic energy of electrons flowing in paths of less resistance are what it actually made of.in similar ways, human beings who are so complex cannot imagine that they come from reletive simplicity and with their high level complex emotions, they dream up explanations which are easier for their current complex forms to bear with.{sry, i get carried away}
Originally posted by leonheartmm
the development of concionce/self awareness can be understood better with computers. since all programs are basically made up of 0s and 1s which on their own are NUTHING but blips on a screen or actually even simpler, a rush of electron in a wire/circuit. but wonderful intelligences can be made up by adding/joining and complicating these pulses{which the basic circuit interprets as electricity, your prosessor interprets as os and 1s and the program on a WHOLE interprets as commands. now the relationship between running electrons and commands/reactions is as vague as between randomly distributed matter and a talking thinkin human being{even though the first example is simplified} and it is THIS that most relegious humans or even normal humans cannot comprehend, HOW can sumthing so lifeless/simple turn into a complex and PERFECT{which is a wrong assumption since a human being is perfect only in ITS state of thought which is based merely on complicated combination of simpler units, infact its not any more perfect that a rock, its only ones thinking} without a creator when its actually POSSIBLE and PROBABLE that it can happen without anything aiding it. the simple fact is, that our THOUGHTS/ emotions are sumthing like 10th generation{or higher} computer languages{trying to explain here} just like a program created with the BASE language of C++ cannot take instructions nor interpret an analog code{0s and 1s} when basically, at the very core, 0s and 1s and ultimately kinetic energy of electrons flowing in paths of less resistance are what it actually made of.in similar ways, human beings who are so complex cannot imagine that they come from reletive simplicity and with their high level complex emotions, they dream up explanations which are easier for their current complex forms to bear with.{sry, i get carried away}
Yes, you can say that consciousness is some kind of computation but you cannot reduce consciousness to an algorithym, don´t expect do create life using C ++, or Delphi... algorithyms use mathematical logic, and consciousness cannot be described by mathematics. Specially concerning our "free will" our ability to make choices. Choices can not be defined mathematically, you cannot simulate choice by an algorithym, and some scientists like Roger Penrose think that consciousness is non-computational, what means that there is no algorithym for it.
Consciousness is a mathematical problem without a solution, or if you want mathematics doesn´t support consciousness. Consciouness is beyond mathematics.
Originally posted by Atlantis001
Not that I agree with Intelligent design, but science and religion are not so different. For example, prove to me that science is right without meantioning these :- scientific method
Remember when you turned on your computer to get it to work? That's proof of -science-. Remember when you turned the ignition on your car? Again. Remember last time you made a phone call?
Those are all instances in which science WAS right. That is, unless you have a faith-based answer for those. I'd LOVE to see that.
Re: Re: Prove creationism...I'll shut up!
Originally posted by O Green World
Ok, let's put it simple....
Life doesn't exist without god, so how can i tell you without mentioning god?If you believe the universe can be made by a giant bang then you must believe in a super-being who has probably came from another universe.
Incorrect. You've made the assertion that life can't exist without God, but you haven't proven it. However, there's no evidence to suggest that life requires a God. Now, the Big Bang theory isn't my idea of "teh oober argument" as that has it's own unique set of problems (Which are another topic in itself), but everyone who supports ID or Creationism says the same thing: It is too complex/perfect/ordered/strange/law-abiding, therefore it must be done by a supernatural being. In every case the person jumps from a natural occurance to a supernatural answer, and it's Mythos, not Logos. It spits in the face of over two thousand years of Western philosophy and thought.
Originally posted by xyz revolution
I know that. But christians don't. I mean that Inteligent Design thing. The one true creator. It cannot be described without the bible which is why it isn't a science. To say it was all created at an instant craps all over development of beings.
Isnt evolution, started by the big bang,....
"all created at an instant".
Just a flash of light in the void and ..BOOM!!!
Stars, moons, suns, planets, .... THE UNIVERSE, etc....
The big bang does the same thing (a whole lotta something from nothing) as creation, but gives no reason for it.
🙂
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Isnt evolution, started by the big bang,...."all created at an instant".
Just a flash of light in the void and ..BOOM!!!
Stars, moons, suns, planets, .... THE UNIVERSE, etc....
The big bang does the same thing (a whole lotta something from nothing) as creation, but gives no reason for it.
🙂
The Big Bang theory wasn't even mainstream over the steady state theory until the 1960s, so how you assume evolution starts with that, I can't guess. I suppose someone needs to brush up on their science and not make "common knowledge" guesses on things. Evolution was covered by Darwin well before Big Bang was ever even on the drawing board. The theory itself is heavily in dispute, but it is supported by cosmic microwave background radiation, and even then it's only a scientific theory because it's falsifiable. Creationism isn't. Big Bang is the best we've got, but no scientist worth his degree will make claims about Big Bang the way a Creationist will carry on about their unsubstantiated claims.
And scientists do not know what could have been before the supposed Big Bang at all, though most would suggest a concentrated form of all matter in the universe. I suggest you research the topic THOROUGHLY before you assume there's just no good reason for it.
Meanwhile, a Creationist has this two thousand year old collection of stories by different authors that has been passed down and retranslated and it's supposed to come up with a figure of around six thousand years and we're just supposed to believe that all fields of science and their researchers are ALL wrong concerning the age of earth entirely.
Right.
Originally posted by sithsaber408no, no, no. Evolution says everything developed over time. Crating into more and more advanced. Therefore, by going back in time, you would get less and less advanced until you get to nothing. The Big Bang is the start of everything. By questioning the Big Bang you're questioning the beginning. You can't get before the big bang. I'm not saying the big bang is for definate but it makes more sense than a ****ing creator in the clouds.
Isnt evolution, started by the big bang,...."all created at an instant".
Just a flash of light in the void and ..BOOM!!!
Stars, moons, suns, planets, .... THE UNIVERSE, etc....
The big bang does the same thing (a whole lotta something from nothing) as creation, but gives no reason for it.
🙂
Originally posted by xyz revolution
no, no, no. Evolution says everything developed over time. Crating into more and more advanced. Therefore, by going back in time, you would get less and less advanced until you get to nothing. The Big Bang is the start of everything. By questioning the Big Bang you're questioning the beginning. You can't get before the big bang. I'm not saying the big bang is for definate but it makes more sense than a ****ing creator in the clouds.
The word advance is subjective. A better word would be “survive”. Evolution isn’t the advancement of a raise; it is the survival of a raise. So, if for some unforeseen reason it was a better for survival that humans get dumber, then that is what will happen. Wow! that explains a lot. 😱
Originally posted by Shakyamunison??? Humans>Apes>Monkeys>Lemurs>Lizards>Herring>Insects.
The word advance is subjective. A better word would be “survive”. Evolution isn’t the advancement of a raise; it is the survival of a raise. So, if for some unforeseen reason it was a better for survival that humans get dumber, then that is what will happen. Wow! that explains a lot. 😱
Evolution is in everything! Cabbages, lettuces and sprouts all came from the same ancestor. Donkeys, Horses, Cattle and Zebras all came from the same ancestor. Bees, Ants and Flies all came froom the same ancestor. If you go back in time far enough, you'll find links to all these 'family trees' if you will. That's evolution.
Creatioonism can be summed up into one book called the bible. Evolution is so complex, it can't be summed up into one book, like every other science.
Re: Prove creationism...I'll shut up!
Originally posted by xyz revolutionHow clever..all of these were already a seperate thread but you just combined them all 😱
Prove to me that creationism is the true origin of life without mentioning these:[list]
[*]god
[*]bible
[*]jesus
[*]religion
[*]evolution
[*]anything to do with the above[/list]
Re: Prove creationism...I'll shut up!
Originally posted by xyz revolution
Prove to me that creationism is the true origin of life without mentioning these:[list]
[*]god
[*]bible
[*]jesus
[*]religion
[*]evolution
[*]anything to do with the above[/list]
Look in the mirror..a*s**l**s don't evolve, they're obviously created. According to natural selection, a species would have evolved past procreating a*s**les long ago...
Just my two cents..or maybe 3..😉
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Re: Re: Prove creationism...I'll shut up!
Originally posted by whobdamandogMaybe 4 cents 😖hifty:
Look in the mirror..a*s**l**s don't evolve, they're obviously created. According to natural selection, a species would have evolved past procreating a*s**les long ago...Just my two cents..or maybe 3..😉
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