Prove creationism...I'll shut up!

Started by Wild Shadow63 pages
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Yes it does yet people for some strange reason still believe it.

question?

are you kirk cameron? are you a creationist? were you schooled in a religious private school? can you explain the firmament?

i only ask these questions because your questions and points sound verbadum what the creationist question list use to poke at science even though many of the question can be readily explained and has bn.

Originally posted by Ordo
Yes. Its very strange to believe something so blatantly factual. Damnit I swear that sky is orange and is actually the underside of God's testicles.

Let's take the moth for example. How did it evolve?

It didn't "evolve" in the biological sense of the word. Its not part of the "Theory of Evolution"

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Let's take the moth for example. How did it evolve?

from a single cell organism from a primal soup billions of yrs branching out and taking many paths to its modern appearance... see that was easy. 🙂

whoops I apologize. I read "moon" instead of "moth" because i cant karking see your blue text.

Anyway, I don't currently have access to information for a specific class of animals. And i certianly dont know the phylogeny of moths. I can look it up after work, but somehow I feel its not worth my time.

Originally posted by Ordo
whoops I apologize. I read "moon" instead of "moth" because i cant karking see your blue text.

Anyway, I don't currently have access to information for a specific class of animals. And i certianly dont know the phylogeny of moths. I can look it up after work, but somehow I feel its not worth my time.

you have that problem too? i thought it was just me

Originally posted by Ordo
It didn't "evolve" in the biological sense of the word. Its not part of the "Theory of Evolution"

So...all life does not have a common ancestor then?

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
from a single cell organism from a primal soup billions of yrs branching out and taking many paths to its modern appearance... see that was easy. 🙂
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
So...all life does not have a common ancestor then?

We think all life has a common ancestor, but there is no way to know right now.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
We think all life has a common ancestor, but there is no way to know right now.

all tested life on earth has a specific number of identical DNA (im not aware of the actual amount, though it is small).

this is immense support for the idea of a common anscestor

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
So...all life does not have a common ancestor then?

I can't say for sure. It is possible that there are multiple common ancestors. "All life" is a pretty big net to cast, especially given several billion years of history from viruses and bacteria up to redwoods and blue whales.

I can say that most life today shares a common ancestry, certainly among eukaryotes.

Evolution of New Brain Area Allowed Small Motor Skills
LiveScience staff

http://www.livescience.com/animals/090113-small-motor-skills.html

A relatively new area of the brain's cerebral cortex evolved to enable humans and other primates the necessary small motor skills to pick up small objects and deftly use tools, scientists now say.

In most animals, including cats, rats and some monkeys, the brain's primary motor cortex controls all movements indirectly through the circuitry of the spinal cord, said researcher Peter Strick, professor of neurobiology at the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine and Pittsburgh's Veterans Affairs Medical Center.

But in humans, some monkeys and the great apes that use tools, another area of the motor cortex developed and is now home to a special set of cortico-motoneuronal (CM) cells, Strick explained. These cells directly control spinal cord motor neurons, which are the nerve cells responsible for causing contraction of shoulder, elbow and finger muscles.

The direct control exerted by CM cells bypasses the limitations imposed by spinal cord circuitry and permits the development of highly complex patterns of movement, such as the finger action needed to type.

"What we've shown is that along with evolution of direct control over motor neurons, a new cortical area has evolved that's right next to the old one," Strick said. "We still have much the same spinal machinery the frog has, but the new cortical area with CM cells endows humans with the superior hand skills to manufacture and use tools.

Chimpanzees are humans' closest relatives. On the evolutionary tree of life, chimps and humans split about 4 million years ago, some researchers think. In a 2007 study, researchers concluded that chimps could make crude tools on their own, suggesting humans likely inherited some of their sophisticated tool skills an ancestor held in common with chimps.

Strick and colleague Jean-Alban Rathelot based their conclusions on a series of experiments in which rabies virus was injected into single muscles in the shoulders, elbows or fingers of monkeys. The virus, chosen because of its unique ability to travel between networked nerve cells, was tracked to locate CM cells in the primary motor cortex.

The discovery allowed another interesting explanation:

The direct connection from the cortex to motor neurons is not present at birth, but develops during the first few months of life and becomes fully mature around 2 years of age, Strick said. So the progress of an infant's motor skills is a display of the establishment of these connections.

The findings were detailed this week in an online edition of the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. The research was funded by grants from the Department of Veterans Affairs, the National Institutes of Health and the Pennsylvania Department of Health.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
I'm not quite sure why some people feel that Creationism and Evolution can no co-exist.

By "evolution," are you referring to micro or macro?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Time and a literal interpretation of the bible is the real problem.

The "real" problem is ignorance. Read the quote by Wild Shadow.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
because science requires scientific method to explain the world around us using logic.. while creationism denies everything that is evolution and scientific method and responds with poof god did it dont explain it because you are wrong.

Despite all wishful thinking and fanciful, feel good theories, the underlying principles of macro-evolution/Darwinism are these: 1) Nothing produces everything, 2) Non-life produces life, 3) Randomness produces fine-tuning, 4) Chaos produces information, 5) Unconsciousness produces consciousness, and 6) Non-reason produces reason.

Originally posted by ushomefree
By "evolution," are you referring to micro or macro?
They are one and the same.

Originally posted by ushomefree
...The "real" problem is ignorance...

You are absolutely right. 😆

Originally posted by ushomefree

By "evolution," are you referring to micro or macro?

Originally posted by Da Pittman

They are one and the same.

How so?

Because they're antiquated terms not used since the advent of molecular biology.

Originally posted by ushomefree
How so?
Same as macro and micro economics, it is just the scale that you look at but it is still economics.

Actually, (i know little of economics) but I think that is a bad analogy.

Originally posted by Ordo
Actually, (i know little of economics) but I think that is a bad analogy.
I didn't think that it was, one is looking at a smaller scale such as a local business and the other would be dealing with a country. Unless I'm not understanding it correctly.