Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
My question remains: why the need to pass on genes or to secure or foster the survival of offspring?
quick answer: Because if you dont then your species or genetic line dies..
how many ways must it be explained, its been overly explained given in laymens terms as well as a simple sentence.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
My question remains: why the need to pass on genes or to secure or foster the survival of offspring?
Point taken. I suggest you don't.
The real answer being: There is no "need," it happens naturally. Our definition of life requires propagation. It is an innate quality. It is.
"Why?" Is not a proper question. Unless you're asking somethign other than what I'm reading.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
quick answer: [B]Because if you dont then your species or genetic line dies..how many ways must it be explained, its been overly explained given in laymens terms as well as a simple sentence. [/B]
I am not trying to insult your intelligence or be difficult, I am trying to get you to think about the why behind the what more critically.
Again, what is wrong with dying? Why does a species seek to live as opposed to dying? What's the real purpose of living? For what? To just keep passing on genes? But to what end?
Do you follow me?
To all members of the KMC-
It was just last night that I posted my last comment on this thread, and I am lost in the confusion of posts. I can't compete, ha ha! I was wondering if members of the KMC would allow myself to create a thread committed to debate over the validity of Evolution and Intelligent Design (ID). I ask, however, that the debate remain between myself and ONE other member. Whoever that may be, we can discuss the specifics via "private messages." Talk amongst yourselves. And the folks in administration can govern the debate, deleting unauthorized comments or simply blocking relevant members, for example. It's just a thought, let me know what you think. Thanks!
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I am not trying to insult your intelligence or be difficult, I am trying to get you to think about the why behind the what more critically.Again, what is wrong with dying? Why does a species seek to live as opposed to dying? What's the real purpose of living? For what? To just keep passing on genes? But to what end?
Do you follow me?
I'm sure he does. You are trying to insert a purpose or intention into a situation where there is none. Animals reproduce because
a). It is pleasurable
-and-
b). The combination of genes that encourage reproduction is passed into the next generation. Put simply: organisms reproduce because it worked for their ancestors.
...
This misguided attempt at anthropomorphism is not a scientific concept nor is it a response to the theory of evolution (which only specifies the what, not the why of events).
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Originally posted by ushomefree
To all members of the KMC-It was just last night that I posted my last comment on this thread, and I am lost in the confusion of posts. I can't compete, ha ha! I was wondering if members of the KMC would allow myself to create a thread committed to debate over the validity of Evolution and Intelligent Design (ID). I ask, however, that the debate remain between myself and ONE other member. Whoever that may be, we can discuss the specifics via "private messages." Talk amongst yourselves. And the folks in administration can govern the debate, deleting unauthorized comments or simply blocking relevant members, for example. It's just a thought, let me know what you think. Thanks!
If you can wait until February (or at least 'till Sunday) I think I could take part in such a debate, but January is going to be ridiculously busy until then for me.
Originally posted by ushomefree
To all members of the KMC-It was just last night that I posted my last comment on this thread, and I am lost in the confusion of posts. I can't compete, ha ha! I was wondering if members of the KMC would allow myself to create a thread committed to debate over the validity of Evolution and Intelligent Design (ID). I ask, however, that the debate remain between myself and ONE other member. Whoever that may be, we can discuss the specifics via "private messages." Talk amongst yourselves. And the folks in administration can govern the debate, deleting unauthorized comments or simply blocking relevant members, for example. It's just a thought, let me know what you think. Thanks!
Excellent idea.
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Originally posted by ushomefreeSo what is your purpose of even posting it on the forum, why not simply do it through PM's or email? Why would you post on a public forum and tell people that they can't comment about it?
To all members of the KMC-It was just last night that I posted my last comment on this thread, and I am lost in the confusion of posts. I can't compete, ha ha! I was wondering if members of the KMC would allow myself to create a thread committed to debate over the validity of Evolution and Intelligent Design (ID). I ask, however, that the debate remain between myself and ONE other member. Whoever that may be, we can discuss the specifics via "private messages." Talk amongst yourselves. And the folks in administration can govern the debate, deleting unauthorized comments or simply blocking relevant members, for example. It's just a thought, let me know what you think. Thanks!
Originally posted by jaden101
actually no...the matter within the universe is expanding...i.e that which we can measure using light...thus the known galaxy we can see via measuring light is 15 billion light years. (the furtherst object actually observed is 13.7 billion light years) we measure this by calculating red shift..because as a light source expands away from us the dopplar effect applies (think of the way a siren sounds on an emergency vehicle passes by...the way it distorts...thats the dopplar effect) and so we see more of the lower energy wavelengths...the red...the more red is measured the further away an object is. (Hubble flow law)Space itself works differently...Its expansion is not restricted by the speed of light because special relativity only applies to spacial motion and not space itself....space itself thus can expand at infinite speeds.
It should also be noted that when people say the universe began at the big bang it refers only to the matter within space....space itself was not compressed into a tiny ball
What actuated or caused the expansion?
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
I'm sure he does. You are trying to insert a purpose or intention into a situation where there is none. Animals reproduce because
a). It is pleasurable
-and-
b). The combination of genes that encourage reproduction is passed into the next generation. Put simply: organisms reproduce because it worked for their ancestors....
This misguided attempt at anthropomorphism is not a scientific concept nor is it a response to the theory of evolution (which only specifies the what, not the why of events).
Edit:
If you can wait until February (or at least 'till Sunday) I think I could take part in such a debate, but January is going to be ridiculously busy until then for me.
Does intention exists? Does purpose? So how do you know that there wasn't one for the universe's expansion? How do you know that there isn't one for life?
Originally posted by Da Pittman
So what is your purpose of even posting it on the forum, why not simply do it through PM's or email?
What's the fun in that? Are you serious?!
Originally posted by Da Pittman
Why would you post on a public forum and tell people that they can't comment about it?
With 10+ members having a debate over 1 topic, the conversation tends to take a life of it's own. A one-on-one debate is simple and direct.
To all members of the KMC-
It was just last night that I posted my last comment on this thread, and I am lost in the confusion of posts. I can't compete, ha ha! I was wondering if members of the KMC would allow myself to create a thread committed to debate over the validity of Evolution and Intelligent Design (ID). I ask, however, that the debate remain between myself and ONE other member. Whoever that may be, we can discuss the specifics via "private messages." Talk amongst yourselves. And the folks in administration can govern the debate, deleting unauthorized comments or simply blocking relevant members, for example. It's just a thought, let me know what you think. Thanks!
Originally posted by ushomefree
To all members of the KMC-It was just last night that I posted my last comment on this thread, and I am lost in the confusion of posts. I can't compete, ha ha! I was wondering if members of the KMC would allow myself to create a thread committed to debate over the validity of Evolution and Intelligent Design (ID). I ask, however, that the debate remain between myself and ONE other member. Whoever that may be, we can discuss the specifics via "private messages." Talk amongst yourselves. And the folks in administration can govern the debate, deleting unauthorized comments or simply blocking relevant members, for example. It's just a thought, let me know what you think. Thanks!
How would that be any different then the thread that already exists?
Why would you want it limited to two people?
Why not just find a new topic to debate on and let everyone enjoy?
What I see happening is that some people take these topics way too seriously. I think you end up suffering because you are really trying to get your point across. I recommend you get a blog, and go for it. The truth is that I, and others like me, have heard what you are saying, but we simply disagree. Don't take that personally. There is nothing you can do to change my mind because I never hear anything knew from you, and others like you. That does not mean that I am closed minded, but if you come up with a truly novel idea, please let me know, I would love to hear it.
Originally posted by ushomefreeWhy not do it though emails and PM"s if you want to limit it to you and just one other person? What is the purpose of sharing ideas that no one else can comment on? What fun would be for anyone to read a debate on a public forum that they can not put in their own two cents? Why wouldn't you just respond to just one person if you are having such a hard time keeping track of the conversation?
What's the fun in that? Are you serious?!With 10+ members having a debate over 1 topic, the conversation tends to take a life of it's own. A one-on-one debate is simple and direct.
I can guarantee that they will not set anything like that because why would they? How would you enforce it on a public forum and unless they could lock it I guarantee that many will not follow it, hell I wouldn't even look at if if I couldn't say anything and I best most of the debaters here would as well.
My suspension is that you want to get someone in one of your yes/no games and try and trap them in some loaded question that you seem to love so much.
My suspension is that you want to get someone in one of your yes/no games and try and trap them in some loaded question that you seem to love so much.
But it is fun to point them out and show why they are wrong!
The idea is to keep the debate organized and structured, but I agree with Shaky- this is not the proper venue for such a discussion. Go start a blog or hold the entire thing in PMs.