Darth Revan vs Superman

I hate these Superman vs *insert jedi here* threads..

Revan seems to me like a ripoff of Vader, assuming he's as strong with the Force as Vader, he may hold a chance at defeating Supes cause of several possibilities.

#1: The Force showed him this fight would happen, and he prepared by searching for kryptonite (which can take on crystaline form) and equiping it into the main phasom to his lightsaber so that when he wielded it, it released krptonite radiation and would serve as an increddible weapon against Superman. But this is a big if, considering The Force would have to tell Revan an awful lot, and that's giving Revan prep time which isn't fair.

#2: He could use The Force to drive Supes mad, not impossible, but probably not convient, as Superman is not the type of guy you want to expriement on and risk killing everybody.

#3: Peirce his inner-most soul and try to tempt Superman to the darkside, this could work, hell, even without The Force in several other-worlds Supes has fallen prone to the neo-fascist train of thought. However, this wouldn't mean Revan would live, just because the darkness wins, doesn't mean Revan does..

And #4: Use Force-Kill or some other insta-death Force power. But this too is highly unlikely, because Supes heart stopping? Don't see that happening, his lungs imploding over the telekinetic weight of Revan's mind? Not if he's truly the man of steel. Fireballs and lightning bolts? Comeon..

Superman is in a league of his own, Revan might give Supes a hard time at first, but nothing Superman hasn't handled before, Revan, and all jedi for that matter, would lose. Less ofcourse Revan can use The Force to leave Superman a vegetable, but stastics are in Superman's favour..

Super Man is not so great. Didn't he lose to Bat Man? (who I would consider on par or less powerful than Jango Fett.)

batman has a kryptonite ring.....and the writing of those kinda fights is terrible.
superman would pwn revan, it doesnt matter how good a force user revan is. superman has gone beyond lightspeed. that means that he can effortlessly do 7 laps of earth in 1 second. if the fighters were 100 meters apart, superman can do 5 laps to show off, kill revan by slamming into him on his 6th and do a final victory lap...all in 1 second...and thats if supes just wants to show off, which he rarely does...

I thought the Flash beat him in a race, though.

Originally posted by Hack Benjamin
I hate these Superman vs *insert jedi here* threads..

#1: The Force showed him this fight would happen, and he prepared by searching for kryptonite (which can take on crystaline form) and equiping it into the main phasom to his lightsaber so that when he wielded it, it released krptonite radiation and would serve as an increddible weapon against Superman. But this is a big if, considering The Force would have to tell Revan an awful lot, and that's giving Revan prep time which isn't fair.

Problem is there is no such a thing in a no prep match. It's basically the two people are drop instantly in the battlefield without time to prepare. All they had is common knowledge about each other and had to make due with that.

Originally posted by Hack Benjamin
#2: He could use The Force to drive Supes mad, not impossible, but probably not convient, as Superman is not the type of guy you want to expriement on and risk killing everybody.

He could do that ala max lord....but it would take years considering just how resistant he is to telepathy along with the fact that he could reach him and pound him till he is crap faster than his brain could register any sort of action.

Originally posted by Hack Benjamin
#3: Peirce his inner-most soul and try to tempt Superman to the darkside, this could work, hell, even without The Force in several other-worlds Supes has fallen prone to the neo-fascist train of thought. However, this wouldn't mean Revan would live, just because the darkness wins, doesn't mean Revan does..

Many many people have done that and afaik no one has ever succeded, even blaze the queen of hell couldn't do it. What is the neo-fascist train of thougth anyway?

Originally posted by Hack Benjamin
Superman is in a league of his own, Revan might give Supes a hard time at first, but nothing Superman hasn't handled before, Revan, and all jedi for that matter, would lose. Less ofcourse Revan can use The Force to leave Superman a vegetable, but stastics are in Superman's favour..

I agree but not with the last one unless he had massive amounts of powerup like some kyron crystals, the star forge, valley of the jedi power up, etc.

Originally posted by DarthBanevv
I thought the Flash beat him in a race, though.

Originally posted by MadMel
WAlly West can go WAY beyond lightspeed, he is faster than supes if they're on foot..its hard to compare to supe's flying but..

He's not one with the force. In fact, he needs to siphon force from almost every source abundant with it so he can be ressurected. If he was one with the force, he could've just created a body for himself and not require Tavion to do his dirty work for him. And his spirit is in corriban all that time till Tavion manage to discover his body.

Ok, I see your point. However, what about his swordsman skills? As someone has already pointed out, the ancient sith saber skills make the later sith look like children. Jaden was already outmatched in terms of force powers, yet his lightsaber abilities(from only a couple of missions of training) proved to be the reason Ragnos was defeated. If Revan is not more powerful than Ragnos in terms of force powers, than it is certainly in terms of lightsaber skills, which was all that was needed to defeat the washed up sith lord in the first place.

I hate to admit it, but it's simply speculation to say whether the lightsaber would prove effective to Superman or not. We have not seen it's limits, though cortosis proves to slow it down a little. But for the sake of this matchup, lets say the lightsaber does work against Superman.

Because Superman is on another scale from any force wielder you could mention. Superman's has resisted multiple hundreds of nuclear explosions unphased, has fought gods, etc. Do you really think anyone in SW can really harm him in a no prep match? Just because you have mastery of the force doesn't mean you're gonna win against every opponent who doesn't have it.

Speaking of such, I see you insist on the speedblitz argument, hence Superman charging Revan at the speed of light. Well if we're going to go by those rules, with having Supes at his best, then it's only fair to have Revan at his best as well. As the Emperor said in Episode 6, "I have forseen it". Revan's best is seeing into the future. The Jedi not using it as much in the movies is PIS, but so is Superman not speedblitzing. In any versus fight involving a jedi, prep time is automatic, if we are going by both characters at their best. It has been proven that Superman can only fight at mach speeds, since moving at speeds much higher while attempting to actually fight is too difficult. So if he decides to use the speed blitz, and ends up missing, he'd be left wide open for an attack. Supes could come in at his fastest, yet Revan would still know where and when to dodge. So that elimates any speed blitz argument.

Now Superman moving at mach speeds is a different story, since predicting movements by widely seeing into the future will be far more complicated, than simply knowing the one time to dodge. My counter to Superman fighting at mach speed is simply Jedi being capable of deflecting projectiles moving at light speed.

Lightspeed> Mach Speed. Now, lets see you refute that.

And #4: Use Force-Kill or some other insta-death Force power. But this too is highly unlikely, because Supes heart stopping? Don't see that happening, his lungs imploding over the telekinetic weight of Revan's mind? Not if he's truly the man of steel. Fireballs and lightning bolts? Comeon..

The force is not telekinesis though(max lord argument out of the question). True, the mind has alot to do with it, but it's simply the mind manipulating the universal energy: The force.

u dont get it do ya....jedi/sith/forceusers cannot go lightspeed. the objects that go for them do not move at lightspeed. superman does, he will pwn revan before his brain can think "oh crap" before hes a splat on supes' fist. precog isnt an issue if the person isnt fast enough to even begin to think of dodging a lightspeed attack...

Except if the laser blast that comes in against normal jedi are moving at the speed of light, and they parry wave after wave with blasts, and Revan had one of the best pre-cogs ever (yes, it was proved in Kotor) he should be able to slash up Supes.

Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
Ok, I see your point. However, what about his swordsman skills? As someone has already pointed out, the ancient sith saber skills make the later sith look like children. Jaden was already outmatched in terms of force powers, yet his lightsaber abilities(from only a couple of missions of training) proved to be the reason Ragnos was defeated. If Revan is not more powerful than Ragnos in terms of force powers, than it is certainly in terms of lightsaber skills, which was all that was needed to defeat the washed up sith lord in the first place.

Thing is, even granted he is the best swordsman in SWU, his lightsaber couldn't hope to pierce or do damage to superman unless he just stand there like a stone while revan points his lightsaber in his body ala phantom menace where Quigon was doing it to the blast door.

Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
I hate to admit it, but it's simply speculation to say whether the lightsaber would prove effective to Superman or not. We have not seen it's limits, though cortosis proves to slow it down a little. But for the sake of this matchup, lets say the lightsaber does work against Superman.

Well if the lightsaber did work on Superman, he'd stand as much chance as anyone with his speed to make contact with supes.

Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
Speaking of such, I see you insist on the speedblitz argument, hence Superman charging Revan at the speed of light. Well if we're going to go by those rules, with having Supes at his best, then it's only fair to have Revan at his best as well. As the Emperor said in Episode 6, "I have forseen it". Revan's best is seeing into the future. The Jedi not using it as much in the movies is PIS, but so is Superman not speedblitzing. In any versus fight involving a jedi, prep time is automatic, if we are going by both characters at their best. It has been proven that Superman can only fight at mach speeds, since moving at speeds much higher while attempting to actually fight is too difficult. So if he decides to use the speed blitz, and ends up missing, he'd be left wide open for an attack. Supes could come in at his fastest, yet Revan would still know where and when to dodge. So that elimates any speed blitz argument.

Dude, let me make myself clear about the speedblitz argument; I hate it. Almost every DC fight in the Comic versus thread revolves around it. That isn't to say of course, it doesn't exists and those DC fanboys are completely in the wrong.

Now you've mentioned forseeing his attack. But do you honestly think Revan could hope to do damage to superman by catching him with the lightsaber even assuming he is fast enough, i think not. He is basically left out of option here since almost 100% would prove ineffective against the Kryptonian skin.

Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
Now Superman moving at mach speeds is a different story, since predicting movements by widely seeing into the future will be far more complicated, than simply knowing the one time to dodge. My counter to Superman fighting at mach speed is simply Jedi being capable of deflecting projectiles moving at light speed.

Have you ever seen the sonic booms he can do just by passing near you. He basically killed a guy without knowing when he was going moderately fast. In this match, where everyone's going all out. He simply wouldn't go with a few mach speeds. His capable of lightspeed with his flight you know. What would revan do if he did, he ain't capable of blocking his punch with his fist unlike Vader doing to a laser projectile.

Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
Lightspeed> Mach Speed. Now, lets see you refute that.

Why would i? The argument against Revan basically revolves around it.

Just so you know, Revan is far from the best swordsman in the Star Wars Universe (well mabey not hugley far but he is not the best) ........just wanted to say that.

Superman can only fight at mach speed? Where does it say this?

He punched WW from the sun to the earth in under a minute.

yeah, common....u seriously cannot think superman, with thousands of years experience (thanks to time travel) could lose to one jedi/sith. lightspeed, strength, heat vision hotter than stars, insane durability make superman way too much for revan..heatvision is one thing i left out..

Originally posted by kamikz
Just so you know, Revan is far from the best swordsman in the Star Wars Universe (well mabey not hugley far but he is not the best) ........just wanted to say that.

Kamikz, don't ignore my arguments. 😠

😛

LOL, as I said I only wanted to say that. 😛

Ok, everyone here seems to hate speed blitz so I'll use a different arguement. Superman just hovers there doing absolutely nothing. Revan then attacks whether it be a force ability or a lightsaber strike. Before the attack is finished he is instantly incinerated. End of fight.