Originally posted by FWahMaN
Cloud hardly looks feminine
Which Cloud are you talking about? The Cloud of childhood memories?
Or this post-pansification Cloud?
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Originally posted by CosmicCometSo THAT is not masculine enough for you, we see.
Ah, but the problem isn't with Lightning looking masculine! Lightning looks feminine in any form, even in that Cloud comparison.It's just that Cloud is feminine looking enough to compare to her. Thank god not all Japanese artists go with this mega-bishonen bullshit though.
Go ask a sunni muslim man, and he'll tell you your avatar of Superman is feminine because he doesn't have a beard. osama 😆
However, I can tell that pic of Cloud is masculine, whereas Lightning looks feminine.
"Cloud on estrogen pills"
Apparently that's a contradiction the guy is making. If Cloud is having to take estrogen pills to appear like Lightning then obviously he is not as feminine as the guy is making him out to be. Is he taking boob pills or is he not? What form is his BODY in? Go look at Ash Crimson. The character I believe was originally designed as a girl, as Bridget from Guilty Gear. Body, looks, everything. Those are f@gs, Sora/Cloud/Squall/Tidus aren't. Vaan barely makes it to faggotry as well.
For the record, that image of Cloud turning into Lightning cracked me the hell up. That whole thing is too funny.
Also how exactly are those two images of Cloud different? The first one is just a shit-resolution of Cloud because of the graphical limits of the PS1. Update the graphics and you have Advent Children.
Originally posted by FWahMaN
Go ask a sunni muslim man, and he'll tell you your avatar of Superman is feminine because he doesn't have a beard. 😆
A Ridiculous stretch, and you absolutely know it. No man, beared muslim or otherwise, could possibly mistake a picture of Captain Marvel (or Superman) for anything but a man. Maybe a Sunni would remark that they aren't proud men or something for not wearing a beard, but they could never say they look like women.
I'm saying, flat out, Cloud looks like a girl in the face.
edit: And my god...graphical advancement has nothing to do with their differences in percieved masculinity. The graphics advancement in AC could have gone towards making Cloud looking more clearly like a male than he already looked in 1997, but they went towards giving him soft skin, no trace of stubble, weak jaw line, long eyelashes, trimmed eyebrows etc.
I edited that and put a osama bin laden smiley. 😛
Then I find it surprising I never thought Cloud was a girl. Neither did I think any of the remnants, which look far closer to feminine (aside from Loz) do. The main reason is their body structure.
Well the face...I mean...yeah, usually you can tell by looking at the eyes and eyebrows. I don't know if it's me, but Cloud's eyes/eyebrows are more fierce than say Tifa's, or Aerith's. The same goes for Squall and Seifer, and Siegfried from Soul Calibur. The fierceness I say. Square also creates very good looking characters. You can't get too far from feminine if you're aiming for very attractive, IMO.
I'm not going to edit that since what I'm about to post I think is very important and relevant unlike the other post.
I am very surprised, I'm seeing Sora votes, and more surprised he's taking a majority. One of my very first versus debates (Which was back in 2006, and no, not on this forum) involved a match with Sora as one of the competitors. Anyway, the forum was filled with way to much KH bias and ignorance, I can't imagine how far that would go with people like the ones in here, being around to smash idiotic claims.
That same forum voted 95% Link with very few for Sora. Actually, on that forum, Sora couldn't beat anyone. Well, there was a combination of Nintendo fandom and KH loathing on that forum, started by a few people and it spread rapidly. I witnessed it.
Anyway I read someone here would say Sora would and/or can beat Kratos. Being the expert on Sora's abilities and whatnot, I didn't know he was that good 😛. I know jack about Kratos, but I thought he was around Dante/Sephiroth level...and Sora's not quite that ermm. Not saying he can't take those on, but he would be at a disadvantage.
Originally posted by FWahMaN
Square also creates very good looking characters. You can't get too far from feminine if you're aiming for very attractive, IMO.
Not at all. You could simply stick with making a male character 'handsome' if he has to be attractive, as opposed to 'pretty'.
Thor is deemed handsome. Superman too. Jin Kazama is good Japanese example as well. None of those guys look remotely feminine and would be deemed attractive.
edit: And no, Phanteros was being far too generous. Sora can't hurt Kratos. But he does spank Link--although I hate Sora its still true.
Rofl well, one of my Xbox Live buddies is gay and he happens to like Lars/Jin...and you can make those guys look so much like Cloud. No seriously, I made a Cloud out of Lars so easily and their faces are similar. They just have the thick Mishima eyebrows. I think the feminism is in the hair. None of these characters, have chiseled faces. They ain't Supraman...lol I just said Supraman...haha I'm wierd.
Nah. He stole the lips from Hilde/Angelina Jolie. 313
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