Exodus vs. Kon-EL

Originally posted by LordKaos
there are theories as to how fast the speed of thought actually is, point blank you can't calculate it, in reality you can have a thousand thoughts in one second with time to spare. Of course only one thought will stand out but it can't honestly be measured since thoughts are intangible in the most literal sense of the word.

There are realities to how fast thoughts transfer to reaction time. Now I will not look them up..............maybe you should me me them yourself. One thousand Thoughts~! Are you talking about conscious thoughts cuz I call DUTCH (no) Since QS can dodge Exodus telepathy control I know Kon can and his TK in DC universe is ridiculous compared to exodus.............

you cannot dodge telepathy just like you can't dodge a spell that is designed for you, you can resist it but dodge it how can that happen? look that up as well while your at it.

why don't you just go back and look at the QS pics provided on this topic, thanks in advance.

Originally posted by LordKaos
there are theories as to how fast the speed of thought actually is, point blank you can't calculate it, in reality you can have a thousand thoughts in one second with time to spare. Of course only one thought will stand out but it can't honestly be measured since thoughts are intangible in the most literal sense of the word.

1) There is no 'theory' on the 'speed of thought.' There are, however, measurements on how quickly a nerve impulse is transferred (including the speed at which thought impulses move).

2) The speed of a nerve impulse (both myelinated and non-myelinated) have been calculated based on their action potential events.

In meters per second here are the rates of conductivity when it comes to humans:

- Thinking: 20-30 m/s
- extra-fast nerve action (eg reflex transmission to muscles): up to 119m/s
- touch: 76.2 m/s
- general pain (eg sore tooth): 0.61m/s (which is still fast since that is like 2 feet per second)

I don't know where you got your 'theory on the speed of thought' and its calculatory impossibility since all that has been standardized for the last 4 decades (if not longer than that ....the earliest study I could get my hands on was from the 1960s and the latest from 2002, but probably this is older than that) through measurements on how fast nerve fibers conduct.
Oh, please elaborate on these 'theories on the speed of thought' that you mentioned. I am curious about them (that is, if they do indeed exist).

there are no such theories save the ones given in this and other sci-fi forums, science cannot even distinguish whether the brain and mind are the same or two different things altogether. Use what terms you will a nerve impulse is not the same as the thought that causes said nerves to fire off to begin with. It all comes down to science versus philosophy and to date when the domain of human psyche and spirit are concerned neither have a clue.

Originally posted by LordKaos
there are no such theories save the ones given in this and other sci-fi forums, science cannot even distinguish whether the brain and mind are the same or two different things altogether. Use what terms you will a nerve impulse is not the same as the thought that causes said nerves to fire off to begin with. It all comes down to science versus philosophy and to date when the domain of human psyche and spirit are concerned neither have a clue.

Oh, ok.
So what you are saying is that your 'theories' stemmed from the KMC and 'other sci-fi forums' (in other words non-existent in areas outside the KMC and 'other sci-fi forums'😉, and that what medical biology has shown to be the case is of no substance?
Hmmm, alright.

You also talk about science versus philosophy, and the 'domain of human pysche and spirit' with neither having a clue.
Fine and well (and true), particularly when one is talking about the 'human psyche and spirit,' but when it comes to biology and the human brain I'm pretty certain that medical science takes the driver's seat.
Now, in 'sci-fi forums' debate is open on whether the universe is a multi-verse, whether time-travel is a viable proposition, whether there is an 'idea-pool' that people can tap into for inspiration, the 100-monkey theory, Yetis in the Himalayas and Sasquatch in British Columbia, and other various 'theories' that tap into a medley of metaphysics, pseudo-science, peyote-induced deliriums, and abstract philosophical conundrums.
But stuff that has been proven as scientific and medical fact is another story.

Now, disprove the rates of transmissions I gave and you would quite likely garner a Nobel prize. Guaranteed.
However I suspect they might want more evidence than what you gleaned from 'sci-fi forums.'

oh...my...OWNED!

except for this: spetz is speaking practically, the practical limits of thought, whereas the other dude is just talking about the thought itself.

thinking in terms of biology in regards to beings that are beyond biology is as futile as my ability to garner any prize. There is a distinct connection between mind and body (the brain being a part of the body) where that connection begins and ends has not been established, therefore you cannot compare ones ability to outrace a fired neuron to something as intangible as a thought. If you put your hand on something hot your thoughts give you enough time to move your hand before getting damaged, but the nerves responsible for pain are hit a little later in the nanoseconds but not immediately, immediate response to move the hand happens because you already knew it was hot to begin with. It has also been demonstrated that one can suppress the nerve impulses responsible for pain with thoughts. Action follows thought, no matter how instinctual the action, since instincts are little more than thoughts that happen on a subconscious level, so in order to move faster than thought one would have to be speaking exclusively about coherent thoughts which have no distinction in the case of telepath.

Originally posted by LordKaos
thinking in terms of biology in regards to beings that are beyond biology is as futile as my ability to garner any prize. There is a distinct connection between mind and body (the brain being a part of the body) where that connection begins and ends has not been established, therefore you cannot compare ones ability to outrace a fired neuron to something as intangible as a thought. If you put your hand on something hot your thoughts give you enough time to move your hand before getting damaged, but the nerves responsible for pain are hit a little later in the nanoseconds but not immediately, immediate response to move the hand happens because you already knew it was hot to begin with. It has also been demonstrated that one can suppress the nerve impulses responsible for pain with thoughts. Action follows thought, no matter how instinctual the action, since instincts are little more than thoughts that happen on a subconscious level, so in order to move faster than thought one would have to be speaking exclusively about coherent thoughts which have no distinction in the case of telepath.

You said the following:

'If you put your hand on something hot your thoughts give you enough time to move your hand before getting damaged, but the nerves responsible for pain are hit a little later in the nanoseconds but not immediately, immediate response to move the hand happens because you already knew it was hot to begin with.'

Now, what does that tell me ?
It tells me that you know not of something called reflex actions, and that you think that when someone touches a hot stove that it is one's 'thoughts' that give one 'enough time to move the hand before getting damaged.'

The truth of the matter is this. What happens is called a reflex action, and it has nothing to do with thoughts (or even the brain for that matter).

This is what happens when Lord Chaos touches a hot stove:

1) Your skin immediately registers the temperature spike (in other words: receptors in your skin register heat and pain stimuli)
2) Immediately something known as the NWR is triggered. The NWR is a type of escape reflex (in humans called the Nociceptive withdrawal reflex, hence NWR) whereby the impulses travel to your spinal cord (which is part of your central nervous system)
3) The moment it hits that it makes your flexors immediately jerk your hand away from the hot stove, thus staving off further damage.
4) As this is going on the message is travelling up to your brain, where it registers as pain. However, by the time those impulses get to the brain the reflex action has already occurred and already ended. In essence it is all over before your brain gets the message that your hand is getting grilled! Your brain only knows what happened when it is already over.

the purpose of the reflex action utilizing the spinal cord part of the CNS instead of the brain part of the CNS is because the body needs to IMMEDIATELY deal with the harmful stimuli.

In a nutshell: no 'thought' is involved.

the same process occurs if you prick your finger, or if you are leaning back on your chair and slip. By the time your mind is aware of what is going on the reflex action has already occured.

You also said that:
immediate response to move the hand happens because you already knew it was hot to begin with
This is also NOT the case.
The reflex action will happen whether or not you are looking at the stove or not.
Infact it can occur while you are sleeping.

The Quicksilver fight was basically Exodus being an idiot. When he focuses, he's less of a jobber.

Exactement!!