Originally posted by golem370
It would be Superman running at him at about 100miles an hour and then The Hulk slits him from navel to neck then beheading him.
What comic did you get that picture from? I have to have it!!!
As far as Superman beating the Hulk in a sword fight it will go a little like this...
The Hulk leaps at Superman after dropping the sword because in his savage state of mind he believes that the Adamantium sword is too puny for him and that he really doesn't need it, Superman begins to superspin and there you have it Hulk looks like ice crean in a cusinart.
This really isn't a fair fight people, however, I think that without the swords the Savage Hulk could give Superman the fight of his life and possibly even beat him... this is my reasons for saying this.
In Avengers vs JLA Superman beats Thor (barely) and then is jumped by the combined forces of Ironman, Hercules, She Hulk, Wonderman and, The Vision... I noticed as well that Namor wasn't there!
The Hulk in the past has proven that he can withstand all of these opponents, and more when he did back when facing both teams of Avengers and actually shrugged them off... I realize that Superman was worn out by his fight with Thor, but in a very recent Supergirl comic they showed how fast Krytonians heal from wounds received in battle, as Supergirl tells Lex that he should flee because she will be healed from her impalement in a matter of moments.
My point here is that, Superman even after being bashed up by Thor had ample time to recover... hence Superman was unable to stave off an attack that the Hulk was able to.... this is only an analogy of how well each handled the combined might of the migtiest members of the Avengers... In my opinion the Hulk did a better job, but only because he had enough time to become as feral as he did if not moreso when he destroyed Onslaught's physical body with that earth shaking punch.
I am still not convinced that a regular undipped in the sun Superman can beat a mindless Savage Hulk. If he did it would go against what was written in comics... The Marvel vs DC crossover was a debacle. If they were going to do that it should have never been written.... I say stalemate because there are too many people who don't want Clark to lose to Bruce, so I will politically bow out.... but weigh the feats for yourself.
Originally posted by THE ULTIMATE
the fact that hulk strenght is limitless is stupid he only has potentional for limitless strenght he gets his strenght frm anger and anger is not limitless right?
Well I have heard of people having strokes from anger so I'd have to disagree with you there... those peoples limits cost them their lives.
LMAO!
Originally posted by CaptainStoicThey heal quickly but when drained like that he still doesn't really have any energy left. Supergirl didn't have her reserves drained as bad anyway. He could collapse and still heal relatively quickly. His stamina isn't what regenerates so fast.
What comic did you get that picture from? I have to have it!!!As far as Superman beating the Hulk in a sword fight it will go a little like this...
The Hulk leaps at Superman after dropping the sword because in his savage state of mind he believes that the Adamantium sword is too puny for him and that he really doesn't need it, Superman begins to superspin and there you have it Hulk looks like ice crean in a cusinart.
This really isn't a fair fight people, however, I think that without the swords the Savage Hulk could give Superman the fight of his life and possibly even beat him... this is my reasons for saying this.
In Avengers vs JLA Superman beats Thor (barely) and then is jumped by the combined forces of Ironman, Hercules, She Hulk, Wonderman and, The Vision... I noticed as well that Namor wasn't there!
The Hulk in the past has proven that he can withstand all of these opponents, and more when he did back when facing both teams of Avengers and actually shrugged them off... I realize that Superman was worn out by his fight with Thor, but in a very recent Supergirl comic they showed how fast Krytonians heal from wounds received in battle, as Supergirl tells Lex that he should flee because she will be healed from her impalement in a matter of moments.
My point here is that, Superman even after being bashed up by Thor had ample time to recover... hence Superman was unable to stave off an attack that the Hulk was able to.... this is only an analogy of how well each handled the combined might of the migtiest members of the Avengers... In my opinion the Hulk did a better job, but only because he had enough time to become as feral as he did if not moreso when he destroyed Onslaught's physical body with that earth shaking punch.
I am still not convinced that a regular undipped in the sun Superman can beat a mindless Savage Hulk. If he did it would go against what was written in comics... The Marvel vs DC crossover was a debacle. If they were going to do that it should have never been written.... I say stalemate because there are too many people who don't want Clark to lose to Bruce, so I will politically bow out.... but weigh the feats for yourself.
Originally posted by THE ULTIMATE
the fact that hulk strenght is limitless is stupid he only has potentional for limitless strenght he gets his strenght frm anger and anger is not limitless right?
I do believe Hulk has a limit somewhere, but that it's just a very, very high limit.
Originally posted by soujaboy09
Im so tired of this " Hulks strength is limitless", If he gets mad enough he can punch through this", " Hulk is just to strong".Tell me this then, If Hulk's so strong then why does Hulk get his ass whoped so much?
Originally posted by ChaoticReign
They heal quickly but when drained like that he still doesn't really have any energy left. Supergirl didn't have her reserves drained as bad anyway. He could collapse and still heal relatively quickly. His stamina isn't what regenerates so fast.
Your a big Superman fan right? If and whenever Hulk gorilla beats up Thor, he would still have enough to do the same thing that he did to the combined Avengers teams, I also noticed that you indirectly ducked the question as whether or not Superman could beat up all of those guys, and I would tend to agree that all of the Avengers that pummeled him him in JLA/Avengers could do it to a fresh Superman, (plus where does it clearly state that his energy was depleted) have you read Justice# 4? It's ugly what they're doing to poor Clark, I can see the the powerhouses in the Avengers handling him just as effectively.
Toe to toe brawling Superman beating the mindless Hulk would be like Daredevil beating Sabertooth unarmed, meaning it could happen, but the odds aren't in his favor.
I don't know why people always seem to forget all other aspects of a fight, other than strength, when Hulk is one of the combatants.
Let's look at all physical aspects of this fight instead shall we:
Strength: Equal. In a weight lifting competition, Hulk would win. But this is a fight - and realistically speaking, there comes to a point, where the damage caused by their blows levels out and the energy is expelled more by them being propelled through the air by the punches.
Durability: Hulk has very impressive healing and immensely tough flesh. But as Hulk has neither KNite or magic at his disposal, Superman is going to be invulnerable for this fight, until his energy starts to run low. If Superman finishes the fight quickly, he won't have a scratch on him. If he lets the fight drag, then he'll start to recieve woundage.
Speed: Superman's biggest advantage in this fight by far. Superman is so fast that if he goes all out, Hulk will not even be able to see him moving, whilst Supes will see Hulk moving in slow-motion, bullet-time stylee. Realistically, Hulk will not land a blow on Superman, whilst Superman can land barrages of attacks every second.
Intelligence: On one side, we have a lumbering behemoth with an imagination and depth of tactical thought as limited as his vocabulary. On the other side, we have someone whos brain can process thoughts millions of times faster than a human, someone who knows every language, has milleniae of fighting experience and can instantly recall facts and figures thanks to his super memory.
Other powers: Anything Hulk can do Supes can do better; thunderclaps, ground stomps etc etc - Superman has done them for as long or longer than Hulkl.
Then when you add in all of Superman's other powers - heat vision that can burn through nearly anything and engulf everything in Superman's field of vision; freeze breath which can hold up pretty much anyone for a short period of time; flight - Superman is infinitely maneuverable; the power to turn invisible or instangible - though thanks to his speed, he practically is anyway, against this slow moving leviathan.
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Hulk is strong and tough.
Superman is strong and tough. But he can also move a million times faster. In any direction. And has multiple other weapons at his disposal too. As well as one of the sharpest, quickest thinking minds in the Justice League.
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If Superman decides to slug this match out with the Hulk, without using any of his powers apart from his strength, then the Hulk has a good chance of winning. Superman's invulnerability will only hold up as long as he's not tired - and in a slugging match, he'll get tired. Then he'll falter and Hulk will beat him down.
IF HOWEVER, Superman fights like he should. This match will be over very quickly. Very VERY quickly.
From the off, moving at speed beyond description, Superman will unleash a massive barrage of planets destroying punches and searing heat vision.
Hulk will be tossed about like a paperbag in the wake of a jetfighter taking off.
In mere seconds, he will be crumpling and being ripped to shreds - and as Superman's incredible Super-vision sees Hulk self healing, Superman will simply up the ante, using heat vision to sear away the flesh and annihilate every last cell of Hulk, out of existence.
Hulk is the strongest one there is. Fact.
But compared to the Man of Steel, he's just a child throwing a temper tantrum. Fact.
Originally posted by Hit and Run
I just want to state that while it's true Hulk doesn't start out as strong as Supes, he's not too far behind and it takes him a short time to reach Supes's strength level (it doesn't take hours like everyone believes). And none of Hulk's high-end feats (i.e. punching through a time-storm, resisting an anti-matter force, destroying the Sacred Flame of Life, etc.) have been retconned. It's just that the way he's written nowadays, EVERYONE, including Spider-Man, Thing, and the rookie New X-Men beats him like an ugly step-child.With all that said, Superman wins. Easily. What people have to understand is this:
NO MATTER HOW STRONG HULK IS, HE CANNOT, I REPEAT, CANNOT MATCH SUPERMAN'S SPEED.
What Validius said is true, no matter how much stronger that Supes Hulk becomes, he will just become a giant green punching bag. The swords just make this even easier for Superman, who slices Hulk into sushi-size pieces without Hulk even retaliating.
For the love of God people, can we please just stop these damn Superman vs Hulk threads? In the end they are all just the same and each one just makes the Hulk look weaker and weaker.
Triple co-signed
Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
I don't know why people always seem to forget all other aspects of a fight, other than strength, when Hulk is one of the combatants.Let's look at all physical aspects of this fight instead shall we:
Strength: Equal. In a weight lifting competition, Hulk would win. But this is a fight - and realistically speaking, there comes to a point, where the damage caused by their blows levels out and the energy is expelled more by them being propelled through the air by the punches.
Durability: Hulk has very impressive healing and immensely tough flesh. But as Hulk has neither KNite or magic at his disposal, Superman is going to be invulnerable for this fight, until his energy starts to run low. If Superman finishes the fight quickly, he won't have a scratch on him. If he lets the fight drag, then he'll start to recieve woundage.
Speed: Superman's biggest advantage in this fight by far. Superman is so fast that if he goes all out, Hulk will not even be able to see him moving, whilst Supes will see Hulk moving in slow-motion, bullet-time stylee. Realistically, Hulk will not land a blow on Superman, whilst Superman can land barrages of attacks every second.
Intelligence: On one side, we have a lumbering behemoth with an imagination and depth of tactical thought as limited as his vocabulary. On the other side, we have someone whos brain can process thoughts millions of times faster than a human, someone who knows every language, has milleniae of fighting experience and can instantly recall facts and figures thanks to his super memory.
Other powers: Anything Hulk can do Supes can do better; thunderclaps, ground stomps etc etc - Superman has done them for as long or longer than Hulkl.
Then when you add in all of Superman's other powers - heat vision that can burn through nearly anything and engulf everything in Superman's field of vision; freeze breath which can hold up pretty much anyone for a short period of time; flight - Superman is infinitely maneuverable; the power to turn invisible or instangible - though thanks to his speed, he practically is anyway, against this slow moving leviathan.
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Hulk is strong and tough.
Superman is strong and tough. But he can also move a million times faster. In any direction. And has multiple other weapons at his disposal too. As well as one of the sharpest, quickest thinking minds in the Justice League.
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If Superman decides to slug this match out with the Hulk, without using any of his powers apart from his strength, then the Hulk has a good chance of winning. Superman's invulnerability will only hold up as long as he's not tired - and in a slugging match, he'll get tired. Then he'll falter and Hulk will beat him down.
IF HOWEVER, Superman fights like he should. This match will be over very quickly. Very VERY quickly.
From the off, moving at speed beyond description, Superman will unleash a massive barrage of planets destroying punches and searing heat vision.
Hulk will be tossed about like a paperbag in the wake of a jetfighter taking off.
In mere seconds, he will be crumpling and being ripped to shreds - and as Superman's incredible Super-vision sees Hulk self healing, Superman will simply up the ante, using heat vision to sear away the flesh and annihilate every last cell of Hulk, out of existence.
Hulk is the strongest one there is. Fact.
But compared to the Man of Steel, he's just a child throwing a temper tantrum. Fact.
Cosigned infinity
I really hate to drag this out, but Superman has never had the type of disposition that you are talking about.
The terms of this fight clearly stipulates, the Hulk as being the victim, so guess who gets the first hit? You you guessed it, sneak attack!
Hulk hits the unbraced Superman with the impact of a meteorite the size of a Giant Stadium moving at terminal velocity in his stomach buckling the man of steel, he immediately pulls his Gladiator gorilla beatdown all over Clarks rapidly enery depleting behind, and doesn't stop even when he sees blood and he beats him and beats him....etc.
Your points are truly valid ones, but like I said it's not Clark thats the victim here it's the Hulk, Clark seeing the Hulk on a phychological level jumping at him attempts to calm the massive giant, and this is how the Hulk gets the first hit in.
Your analogy of the fight is seems somewhat absolute and I would tend to agree in most cases with anyone more predictable than the Hulk, but you know what Murphy's Law states right (anything that can go wrong, will go wrong) and Supermans biggest mistake in this fight will leave him vulnerable to the Hulks unending barrage, and that would be not getting in the first punch.
As I demonstrated earlier all of the Avergers that dropped bombs on him, didn't drop them as hard as an Onslaught crushing punch, The Hulk in this state of rage has never in the history of comics gotten tired in a fight, which means that the Hulk could hit him a hundred times with this force or greater.
We know that it's not really anger but excitement that gets the Hulks strength up, (adrenaline) and in this particular fight he will be as excited as he's ever been.
Sometimes quantity is good most of the time quality is better, and I've seen Superman get decked in all of his titles by less force... In his fight with Thor, do you remember the last words he said before getting blasted by Ironmans repulsar rays? I'll refresh your memory "He....may be.... single toughest opponent.... Ive ever... UHH!" Well I know who's tougher, and stronger than the guy he was talking about, so heres my argument, that fight only lasted about 2 minutes tops right? And, you say he was already worn the hell out huh? before getting bombed right? Here's a secret the Hulk has more than that to give him.... and before you know it The Hulk will be in a state of absolute frenzy, it'll look like a mugging.
I have to say this though if it was Lois that died the tables would be turned on the Hulk because Superman would immediately be in killer mode, but on the norm, your argument not only contradicts Clarks humble upbringing, but it completely ignores his psychlogical disposition, this is the reason why Superman has lost to people that were slower or weaker than he is. We aren't talking about Lobo, Mongul, or Black Adam here, we're talking about Smallville.
The Hulk will beat him up the same way he beat up on Gladiator only this time there won't be anyone to snap him out of his delusion, and it will be Superman# 75 and the last thing Superman heard was HULK SMASH!
So in the immortal words of Flava Flav... YEA BOIIII!
All up sups fan boys r so f****** stupid sure speed matters, but what u dont realize is that Hulk a.k.a engine of destruction has limitless strength and if he catches superman and he will, its all over. So superman might as well fly as fast as he can in the other direction, or he's giong to be one big pile of blue goup.