The entire CIS and Clone armies headed by G. Greivous vS The Empire headed by Tarkin

What? He never said that it was just the ANH army. We can only assume it's the RotJ...

No weapon could really stand up against an AT-AT, no weapon developed during the OT at least. If they could the AT-AT would have been created in a different way and the rebels would have had thousands of those things.

ANH or ROTJ, only 1 death star still.

Fine, Death Star and second Death Star.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Grievous's team, easily, The Clone army [B]and the CIS army 😱 Grand Moff Tarkin's army basically is the Clone Army without the CIS army. The only difference is he has some more advanced weapons and AT-AT's. But Stormtroopers are insuperior to Clone Troopers since some of them are humans and they have bad aim. [/B]

This is riduculous, the Empire was beaten by the Rebel Alliance, now they're going up against the CIS and Clone Troopers!

Uh, I doubt the Empire would severely underestimate the CIS and the Republics's forces, so much to order their fleet to do nothing while Palpy converts some rogue Jedi to the Dark Side.

While vader WTFpwns G.G. And than the death star wipes out the clone planets one by one. the clones try to act like the rebels and Commander Cody tries to enter the death stars trench only to spill hot cofee on his lap and crash into a wall. the end.

One of the only reasons that the Empire was good was because they were being semi-controlled by Sidious. He was practically doing battle meditation every time they fought. When you take him and Vader out of the picture, I think that G.G.'s army will win.

Originally posted by PurpleSaber
One of the only reasons that the Empire was good was because they were being semi-controlled by Sidious. He was practically doing battle meditation every time they fought. When you take him and Vader out of the picture, I think that G.G.'s army will win.

So you're saying that they are going to win against a fleet that is easily a hundred times more powerful then their own just because Sidious and Vader won't be using battle meditation? Good luck proving that.

And when did Sidious ever use battle meditation, he didn't use it on Hoth, he didn't use it on Yavin and he couldn't have been using it at the Battle of Endor because he wasn't concentrating, and Battle meditation requires a huge amount of concentration.

At Endor one of his Dark Jedi was using it. It was a Grand Admiral. Supposedly Sidious could use it on the entire Imperial Navy for extended periods of time. That was the explanation Thrawn had for why the Imperials sucked so bad at Endor after Sidious died and for the battles there after, because they had grown dependent on battle meditation.

People seem to assume that just because the clones and battle-droids together likely equal in the billions, maybe trillions, that the Empire is screwed.

So what?

The Empire easily has equivelent numbers. And why do some people assume that every battle is going to be fought on ground, where numbers play a big part? Even then, everybody knows the Empire has superior technology, and on a ground battle, the scales are quite balanced, if not even tipping to the Empire.

Space wise, the Empire greatly out numbers, out guns, and out techs. the CIS and Clones by a long shot. And what do Palpatine and Vader matter? Do people honestly think those two were present in every battle the Empire ever fought, and they won the day almost single-handedly?

And the Rebels themselves, while being far out numbered against the PT Forces, were still also far more advanced. People can stop using their victory at Endor, since they weren't fighting a fleet of thousands right from the get-go.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
At Endor one of his Dark Jedi was using it. It was a Grand Admiral. Supposedly Sidious could use it on the entire Imperial Navy for extended periods of time. That was the explanation Thrawn had for why the Imperials sucked so bad at Endor after Sidious died and for the battles there after, because they had grown dependent on battle meditation.

well Thrawn his assumption brilliant as Thrawn is himself is still flawed, its clear that Sidious did not use battle meditation there. I would put the effect of what happened after the destruction of the Death Star more in the hands of human emotions and the destruction of the two mayor command points then anything else. Without the Death Star or the executor they had no more commanding officer.

Sidious might have been using it at other battles that I do not know off, but I never heard of battle meditation being used half way across the galaxy, otherwise why would Bastila who is amazingly skilled at it more so then even the greatest of masters would have to be near the place of battle? Why would the Masters in TOTJ only use it when they were near the combat zone's?

1. One of Sidious' Dark Jedi was using it at Endor, not Sidious himself.

2. Sidious could have been more proficient with it then even Bastila. He did spend large amounts of time in meditation chambers, perhaps that boosted the effect.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
1. One of Sidious' Dark Jedi was using it at Endor, not Sidious himself.

2. Sidious could have been more proficient with it then even Bastila. He did spend large amounts of time in meditation chambers, perhaps that boosted the effect.

1. Which shows Thrawn was wrong at least once

2. I seriously doubt it, Bastila surpassed Masters of great power, that like includes Nomi Sunrider who was very gifted with the arts as well. Bastila turned the tide of entire battles against one of the greatest most brilliant generals in SW history, thats not an easy thing to do, I would say she outclasses Sidious unless you can give some context on how he used it, except for Thrawn his assumption, who could not have known as much about the force as some force users. Not to mention the fact that the Empire always outclassed the Rebellion in military powers why would they really need battle meditation?

Yeah in Heir to the Empire, it is said that the fleet was dependant on Battle Meditation. So when Sids was concentrating on the Vader and Luke fight, they lost because he wasn't commanding them.

Originally posted by darthsith19
This is riduculous, the Empire was beaten by the Rebel Alliance, now they're going up against the CIS [B]and Clone Troopers! [/B]

Originally posted by DarthBanevv
You seem to forget that it's not all the Empire's forces at all of those battles.