Originally posted by Sam Z
He has few advantages over Ben.
Like in agility... and speed... and strength... and durability. Oh wait...Colossus wins.😐
Uhhhh... Do you think that Colossus can run down The Rhino..."NO" but Ben did. Ben also stepped in front of a high powered rifle to stop a bullet at close range after the rifle was fired... 616 Colossus has never shown any substantial strength feat that Ben hasn't shown one better... And i think that The Champion clearly showed that Colossus's durability is much less than Ben's by the way he crumpled like bruised aluminum.
Colossus is just purely over matched in every way.
Just ask WWH... he actually thought Ben may be the only one that may defeat him.
Originally posted by Tony Stark
Uhhhh... Do you think that Colossus can run down The Rhino..."NO" but Ben did. Ben also stepped in front of a high powered rifle to stop a bullet at close range after the rifle was fired... 616 Colossus has never shown any substantial strength feat that Ben hasn't shown one better... And i think that The Champion clearly showed that Colossus's durability is much less than Ben's by the way he crumpled like bruised aluminum.Colossus is just purely over matched in every way.
Just ask WWH... he actually thought Ben may be the only one that may defeat him.
About that Rhino thing. Yes, I think he can. And when Rhino was running from Ben he was badly beaten already. Not to mention that Rhino's a loser and is a complete failure at life, let alone at fighting or escaping super heroes. And stopping bullet isn't impressive at all, both Ben and Peter have better durability feats. Peter had better strength feats even when he was a teenager. Secret wars would be a good example.
And don't compare thier fights, it's not fair. This way I can compare Ben's fight against Juggernaut (which lasted two punches) and Colossus fight (and he was still young then) where Peter laster much longer than Ben.
If we go by the actual feats, Colossus is superior in everything, except may be fighting skills.
Not to mention that Ben has a weak spot, his eyes...
Originally posted by Sam Z
About that Rhino thing. Yes, I think he can. And when Rhino was running from Ben he was badly beaten already. Not to mention that Rhino's a loser and is a complete failure at life, let alone at fighting or escaping super heroes. And stopping bullet isn't impressive at all, both Ben and Peter have better durability feats. Peter had better strength feats even when he was a teenager. Secret wars would be a good example.
And don't compare thier fights, it's not fair. This way I can compare Ben's fight against Juggernaut (which lasted two punches) and Colossus fight (and he was still young then) where Peter laster much longer than Ben.
If we go by the actual feats, Colossus is superior in everything, except may be fighting skills.Not to mention that Ben has a weak spot, his eyes...
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The stepping in front of the rifles bullet wasn't to show his durability of course they can both take a bullet without problem...duh. 😕
It was to show his agility and quickness.
And remind me again how Rhino being a loser in life effects his capabilities of running fast?
And please tell me which of Peters strength feats Ben would be incapable of repeating...
Ben is 2X as smart as that Russian farm boy and 3X as skilled in fighting too.
Sorry you and Peter fail in this one.
And P.S. Ben is a big fan of the 3 stooges...
Originally posted by Tony Stark
🙄The stepping in front of the rifles bullet wasn't to show his durability of course they can both take a bullet without problem...duh. 😕
It was to show his agility and quickness.And remind me again how Rhino being a loser in life effects his capabilities of running fast?
And please tell me which of Peters strength feats Ben would be incapable of repeating...
Ben is 2X as smart as that Russian farm boy and 3X as skilled in fighting too.
Sorry you and Peter fail in this one.
And owning Nightcrawler (who is almost as agile as Spidey) in a swordfight speaks for itself. Colossus is faster and more agile.
As for strength feats, in secret wars Colossus SUPPORTED a falling spaceship that most likely weight over 200 tons and it wasn't Colossus at his peak. He's gotten stronger since then. Good luck matching that feat.
Durability thing I already proved and all you can present is Hulk's quote that doesn't prove anything.
Smarts won't help Ben in a fight, as for skills I can easilly argue that one, because your claim isn't based on anything.
The only one who failed here is you and your desperate tries to prove your point by posting an ARTWORK of Ben Grimm (or whatever was the reason to post that...) It's not like I can't post an art of Storm owning Galactus. Wouldn't prove anything though...
Also, if you believe that Ben stands a slightest chance against War Hulk, this debate is over before it started...
Originally posted by Shin_NikkolasThey were kneck and kneck during the armwrestling match when Colossus was 16 years old. Colossus has gotten stronger since then and I can prove it if I have too. Now can you prove Ben has gotten stronger? I mean other than hopes and dreams.
I'll repeat what was asked earlier, what makes Colossus stronger than Thing?As for catching a ship, Thing easily overpowered a machine weighing as much as a small mountain. And this was a long time ago. Ben's gotten stronger since then.
Originally posted by Tony StarkColossus has jumped in front of a lazer bolt to block Iceman. And according to the narration he was quite a distance away from him when the bolt was fired.
🙄The stepping in front of the rifles bullet wasn't to show his durability of course they can both take a bullet without problem...duh. 😕
It was to show his agility and quickness.And remind me again how Rhino being a loser in life effects his capabilities of running fast?
And please tell me which of Peters strength feats Ben would be incapable of repeating...
Ben is 2X as smart as that Russian farm boy and 3X as skilled in fighting too.
Sorry you and Peter fail in this one.
And P.S. Ben is a big fan of the 3 stooges...
How the hell can Ben be 2x smarter than Colossus when Colossus speaks better English than he does?
Originally posted by hugekent
Scans of said match?
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20agillity%20and%20speed/ThingandColossusarmwreslte.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20agillity%20and%20speed/ThingandColossusarmwrestling.jpg
I can prove Colossus has become stronger since this took place. Still waiting for evidence Thing has become stronger.
Here the list of abilities
Durability goes to colossus
Strength goes to colossus
Skill Colossus is easily as skilled and the more well rounded combatant
Stamina Colossus
Agility Colossus
Reflex about equal
Thing can't win this any majority.
oh and no one listen to tony stark he thinks Ben is as skilled as wolverine lol.
