THOTU destroyed the main 616 universe and destroyed LT eternity and infinity. it was called the destruction of a UNIVERSE. but since all other realities were combined with THOTU they COULD have been destroyed. however lucifer has created more than one multiverses before. if he dies his energies would create a mutliverse. he can exist outside the mutliverse. he stood at ground zero of the multiverse destroying demiurgic emplosions{equal and possibly greater in every way to the HOTU destroying the marvel multiverse} and wasnt even tanned. simpl;y put THOTU=universal/multiversal power{power over ONE multiverse at best} lucifer however can potetnially create an infinite number of multiverse and hes also beyond death.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
THOTU destroyed the main 616 universe and destroyed LT eternity and infinity. it was called the destruction of a UNIVERSE. but since all other realities were combined with THOTU they COULD have been destroyed. however lucifer has created more than one multiverses before. if he dies his energies would create a mutliverse. he can exist outside the mutliverse. he stood at ground zero of the multiverse destroying demiurgic emplosions{equal and possibly greater in every way to the HOTU destroying the marvel multiverse} and wasnt even tanned. simpl;y put THOTU=universal/multiversal power{power over ONE multiverse at best} lucifer however can potetnially create an infinite number of multiverse and hes also beyond death.
And. There ones who think that THOTU is universal, while he/it destroyed Multiversal being (Living Tribunal) like an insect. It would be the same with Lucifer or Michael.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
it DIDNT take out LT like an insect, LT resisted but failed. it WAS the COMPLETE/FULL power of THOTU that took LT out. and LT "is" a multiversal being but hes the guardian and nowhere near the CREATOR of a multiverse. and both lucifer and micheal surpass LT with a huge gap.
What. Not an insect?
LT and all major powers in Marvel Universe, literally, shot their most powerful blast at once, that could, if they wouldn't concentrate blast only on Thanos (if they would release that energy all around), would destroy whole existence, but Thanos was only laughing at them. That is an insect, combined power of MU was literally nothing, NOTHING.
THOTU didn't break a sweat in defeating all major powers.
And that is already greater feat than Lucifer will ever have. Creating a Multiverse (and that with Michael help, alone he can't do it), doesn't equal defeating every major power at once. Lucifer never did something like that.
LT is not that powerful he has been defied by Dr Strange, is replaced by the Pheonix force every so often and this was confirmed by eternity, and THOTU burned itself out just recreating the multiverse of universe Lucifer does not burn out when he recreates the multiverse, since it took all its power just to destroy the universe or multiverse it wouldnt be enough to hurt lucifer since he has taken such punishment with out even flinching.
LMAO u really are simple Xplosive. lucifer can easily kill himself and from that create a whole new multiverse without micheal's help, then he can bring himself back to life because he is beyond death. lucifer stood at ground zero of the demiurgic explosion which could destroy all creation then{multiverse and cities of heaven and hell COMBINED along with all angels and demons who exist outside the multiverse and EVERYTHING other than the presence and the great beast} THIS demiurgic explosion was FAR greater than THOTU destroying a single multiverse and lucifer did not even get ruffled, HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO REPEAT THIS. THOTU only ONCE RECREATED "ONE" multiverse/universe and burned itself out, micheal has AT ANY TIME the INEXHAUSTABLE power to create 50% of a multiverse and then go ahead to create the 50% of ANOTHER multiverse an so on. and theres always the killing himself thing and even THAT wouldnt burn him out. its QUITE clear who the winneris between lucifer and THOTU, it lucifer without a shadow of a doubt.
and eternity, infinity and LT rent the power of the entire marvel universe/multiverse, there death, PHOENIX, entrop, apiphany, abraxas, chaos, order, galactus, the hunger and the cosmic bunny.
Originally posted by Mider
LT is not that powerful he has been defied by Dr Strange, is replaced by the Pheonix force every so often and this was confirmed by eternity, and THOTU burned itself out just recreating the multiverse of universe Lucifer does not burn out when he recreates the multiverse, since it took all its power just to destroy the universe or multiverse it wouldnt be enough to hurt lucifer since he has taken such punishment with out even flinching.
I really don't remember THOTU burning out (and it's not just LT, but all major powers at once, except Phoenix).
It's not shamful someone to be replaced by Phoenix Force. Look, Phoenix creates itself a Multiverse, Luficer needs help, alone he can't do it. Having that in mind, Lucifer would also be replaced by such power as Phoenix Force. Anyway, you said Lucifer didn't flinch, do you think that blast shot at THOTU wouldn't destroy Multiverse, but THOTU was laughing.
Lucifer never showed feat comparable to Phoenix or THOTU.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
LMAO u really are simple Xplosive. lucifer can easily kill himself and from that create a whole new multiverse without micheal's help,
Did that happen, did it? Tell me, did it? No, so you are wrong. You can only assume, but it never happened.
He cannot create his own multiverse alone, he needs his brother Michael to do that.
You are also saying that Lucifer and Michael combined are maybe more powerful than The Presence himself.
I don't know if you still think that way, are you?
you dont have any proof it would destroy a multiverse those shots from those cosmic entities if they were that strong they would have defeated the IG, but they didnt not even LT knew if he could and he did burn himself out thanos stated in order to fix the multiverse he would die in the process he would recreate everything but die cause the power would run out its kinda like how they had to kill the universe when abraxas was out and then the universe was fixed.
Originally posted by Mider
you dont have any proof it would destroy a multiverse those shots from those cosmic entities if they were that strong they would have defeated the IG, but they didnt not even LT knew if he could and he did burn himself out thanos stated in order to fix the multiverse he would die in the process he would recreate everything but die cause the power would run out its kinda like how they had to kill the universe when abraxas was out and then the universe was fixed.
It doesn't say he burned out. They didn't attack IG all at once. Much different than only LT.
they did attack the IG all at once all the cosmic powers when nebula had it and it did burn itself out or else thanos wouldnt have died, Even if you added LT that doesnt equal multiverse destroying power LT is said to be a peer of eternity and probably only a little stronger then him so yeah its like 2 and a half eternities plus the other cosmics attacking the IG they might win but against a multiversersal being like lucifer no they wouldnt even hurt him..............since when does lucifer NOT need micheal to make a multiverse????????????
Originally posted by Xplosive
Did that happen, did it? Tell me, did it? No, so you are wrong. You can only assume, but it never happened.
He cannot create his own multiverse alone, he needs his brother Michael to do that.
You are also saying that Lucifer and Michael combined are maybe more powerful than The Presence himself.
I don't know if you still think that way, are you?
u MORON. READ some lucifer comics before challenging the competition. it DID happen, with micheal when lucifer killed micheal and took him into the void{which is WHAT caused the demiurgic explosion, no wonder uve been denyin its power, UVE NEVER READ THE COMICS} micheal died and was reborn, HEALED, and created half of the multiverse and lucifer then added his own half and voila lucifer had his own CREATION outside of the presence's multiverse.
Originally posted by Xplosive
It doesn't say he burned out. They didn't attack IG all at once. Much different than only LT.
now ur being childish. it doesnt say BURNED OUT exactly but it does say that thanos would die to fix the universe. and thotu didnt show any power or its appearance after the 616 universe was reset.
and what do you think that means when the user dies when he's used the power? That its just fine no it means it must have died or something like in the abraxas saga the universe died then was remade. Warlock said thanos sacrificed himself to make the multiverse or universe whatever if it didnt drain all his power then what happend, all those cosmics didnt even phase him they were enough to probably level a reality and yet he died just recreating the universe or multiverse.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
dc lucifer is easily above LT and THOTU, heck even beyond classic beyonder. hes easily at omniversal level. having power to create multiple multiverses without being drained.
Could you please show me anywhere in the Lucifer series that refers to Lucifer creating a multiverse?
You wont find a mention Leon and we both know this as we have been through this on a variety of occassions. Lucifer and Michael particpated while Yahweh made the main Vertigo universe as stated on panel and then Lucifer created his own universe jointly with Michael. Hes done nothing to show hes beyond Classic Beyonder.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
THOTU destroyed the main 616 universe and destroyed LT eternity and infinity. it was called the destruction of a UNIVERSE. but since all other realities were combined with THOTU they COULD have been destroyed. however lucifer has created more than one multiverses before. if he dies his energies would create a mutliverse. he can exist outside the mutliverse. he stood at ground zero of the multiverse destroying demiurgic emplosions{equal and possibly greater in every way to the HOTU destroying the marvel multiverse} and wasnt even tanned. simpl;y put THOTU=universal/multiversal power{power over ONE multiverse at best} lucifer however can potetnially create an infinite number of multiverse and hes also beyond death.
Your point about HOTU being connected to all other realities is speculation. Provide a scan.
Your points about Lucifer having created many multiverses/being able to create a multiverse upon his death/ standing at ground zero of a multiversal blast in light of the various discussions we've had on the matter are just lies. ❌
Lucifers own cosmos was a universe. The Presences creation in Vertigo comics is a universe and Lucifer was taught how to make one he never made it himself:
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=3/7716032260.jpg&s=x11
With that in mind theres NO evidence for saying that Michaels demiurgic explosion was multiversal and theres NO evidence for saying Lucifer has created many multiverses without being drained. He has only ever created ONE universe and that was with the aid of his brother Michael who provides the matter which Lucifer shapes into a cosmos. He does indeed beat Eternity however theres no evidence to say hes beyond Thanos with HOTU or Classic Beyonder. NONE.
