Classic Juggernaut vs. Immortal Hercules

Started by soujaboy093 pages

What is up with this character?

I understand that Hulk is strong, and that his strength is near limitless, but all this fight needs to end is a quick KO. I believe that Juggernaut can put Hulk down before Hulk can get mad enough to make Juggernaut feel his punches.

One thing I don’t understand is how some of you feel Hulk is stronger than Cyttorak. Cyttorak is a god and has to be above or equal to Odin in power. Juggernaut is Cyttorak’s avatar, and was given the ability to wield a fraction of his power. With this small fraction of power Juggernaut has caused more destruction to some of our fav hero's than most villains. His power was stated by Marvel to be immeasurable, and his forward movement unstoppable. If I remember correctly Juggernaut was able to push War Hulk back, a much stronger version of Hulk before being grabbed by the legs, and tossed away. Some of you may not any this, but Cyttorak was enough to capture, and enslave Dr. Strange, and Nova before. I mean Cyttorak was so powerful he was banned from earth and given his own dimension to rule, not many gods in marvel universe can claim this.

So as far as Hulk taking Cyttorak in a fight, I don’t think so.

Ok how strong is Juggernaut? A limit was never put on Juggernauts strength, but it was stated in a comic that he is at least as strong as Thor. Well Thor is damn strong; he was able to lift the Midgard Serpent over his head (this serpent wrapped around the earth twice). He stalemated immortal Hercules in an arm wrestling match (This threw the planet out of orbit), once while helping others held some boulder that weighed one million tons, ext. Once he KO’d yours truly, The Hulk. So it makes no since to say that Juggernaut can’t hurt Hulk when people weaker that Juggernaut or the same level have Ko’d him.

I say Juggernaut win’s this fight, because he can not be stopped by Hulk. Before Hulk can get man enough to even be on Juggernauts level he will be Ko’d.

Originally posted by soujaboy09
What is up with this character?

I understand that Hulk is strong, and that his strength is near limitless, but all this fight needs to end is a quick KO. I believe that Juggernaut can put Hulk down before Hulk can get mad enough to make Juggernaut feel his punches.

One thing I don’t understand is how some of you feel Hulk is stronger than Cyttorak. Cyttorak is a god and has to be above or equal to Odin in power. Juggernaut is Cyttorak’s avatar, and was given the ability to wield a fraction of his power. With this small fraction of power Juggernaut has caused more destruction to some of our fav hero's than most villains. His power was stated by Marvel to be immeasurable, and his forward movement unstoppable. If I remember correctly Juggernaut was able to push War Hulk back, a much stronger version of Hulk before being grabbed by the legs, and tossed away. Some of you may not any this, but Cyttorak was enough to capture, and enslave Dr. Strange, and Nova before. I mean Cyttorak was so powerful he was banned from earth and given his own dimension to rule, not many gods in marvel universe can claim this.

So as far as Hulk taking Cyttorak in a fight, I don’t think so.

Ok how strong is Juggernaut? A limit was never put on Juggernauts strength, but it was stated in a comic that he is at least as strong as Thor. Well Thor is damn strong; he was able to lift the Midgard Serpent over his head (this serpent wrapped around the earth twice). He stalemated immortal Hercules in an arm wrestling match (This threw the planet out of orbit), once while helping others held some boulder that weighed one million tons, ext. Once he KO’d yours truly, The Hulk. So it makes no since to say that Juggernaut can’t hurt Hulk when people weaker that Juggernaut or the same level have Ko’d him.

I say Juggernaut win’s this fight, because he can not be stopped by Hulk. Before Hulk can get man enough to even be on Juggernauts level he will be Ko’d.

1) War Hulk stopped Jugernauts forward progress (Incredible Hulk# 456-457) in that comic that you mentioned.
2) The Hulk has beaten Thor more times tha he has lost to him (ref. The Incredible Hulk #440) and I must add that this was an intelligent, methodical Hulk that was throwing Thor around, not even a mindless one.
3) The Incredible Hulk # 402, 403 and, 404 The Hulk hits a Juggernaut that has a forcefield out withone mighty blow (and this was the Professor Hulk)
In The Incredible Hulk Future Imperfect why didn't Maestro say to Hulk when they met, why he did not know why they sent The Hulk back instead of Thor or some guy known as the Wildman, if he was this impressed with Juggernaut he should have said Cain instead. Thor is also a God this has not stopped Hulk from putting the beatdown on him right?
Anyways like I said earlier an amped up Hulk can beat the Juggernaut, unless Cain is stronger than Onslaught. but this isn't about Juggernaut and the Hulk it's about Hercules and Juggernaut.
but I'll leave you with this, can the Juggernaut do what the Hulk did to both teams of Avengers? And as far as the 1 million ton rock thing... do you remember what the hulk lifted in the Secret Wars? or what The Beyonder said? He said that The Hulk was an Infinity Power... even Cytorrak can't claim this.

Originally posted by grey fox
Stalemate.

STOP THE JUGGERNAUT MATCHES

Co-signed.

1. Betageuze and Jugg666 need to stop fighting. It got you both one temp ban, and it sure as heck will get you a longer one if it continues. If it's that hard, just stop posting in the others' threads.

2. I'm not sure who's the slower one here but I don't think anyone disagrees that Immortal Herc and Hulk are stronger than Juggernaut. They are...end of story. But Juggs' strong point has always been his durability. No one has ever really knocked him out except through telepathy.

That makes this an insanely boring match, and most likely a stalemate.

Realize this and stop with the Juggernaut matches (and HKH, and Hulk, and etc...), or I'll start closing them regardless of whether or not they're spite threads...and by that point, the threads closing will probably be the least of your concerns.

3. This will stay open for a while for all to read. In a day or so it'll get closed too.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
1) War Hulk stopped Jugernauts forward progress (Incredible Hulk# 456-457) in that comic that you mentioned.
2) The Hulk has beaten Thor more times tha he has lost to him (ref. The Incredible Hulk #440) and I must add that this was an intelligent, methodical Hulk that was throwing Thor around, not even a mindless one.
3) The Incredible Hulk # 402, 403 and, 404 The Hulk hits a Juggernaut that has a forcefield out withone mighty blow (and this was the Professor Hulk)
In The Incredible Hulk Future Imperfect why didn't Maestro say to Hulk when they met, why he did not know why they sent The Hulk back instead of Thor or some guy known as the Wildman, if he was this impressed with Juggernaut he should have said Cain instead. Thor is also a God this has not stopped Hulk from putting the beatdown on him right?
Anyways like I said earlier an amped up Hulk can beat the Juggernaut, unless Cain is stronger than Onslaught. but this isn't about Juggernaut and the Hulk it's about Hercules and Juggernaut.
but I'll leave you with this, can the Juggernaut do what the Hulk did to both teams of Avengers? And as far as the 1 million ton rock thing... do you remember what the hulk lifted in the Secret Wars? or what The Beyonder said? He said that The Hulk was an Infinity Power... even Cytorrak can't claim this.

when did Hulk defeat Onslaught?

Hulk didn't lift that mountain, he only supported one side of it, that takes a lot of the weight away.

Cyttarak cant claim what? Cyttorak also cant claim to be beaten by Spider-Man now can he?

Odin has never claimed to have unlimited power, but he can damn well defeat Hulk in a fight,

If I say my friend can bench 700 pounds, does that make it true?

Juggernaut was making a fool of Thor and he would do the same to Hercules

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Originally posted by CaptainStoic
1) War Hulk stopped Jugernauts forward progress (Incredible Hulk# 456-457) in that comic that you mentioned.
2) The Hulk has beaten Thor more times tha he has lost to him (ref. The Incredible Hulk #440) and I must add that this was an intelligent, methodical Hulk that was throwing Thor around, not even a mindless one.
3) The Incredible Hulk # 402, 403 and, 404 The Hulk hits a Juggernaut that has a forcefield out withone mighty blow (and this was the Professor Hulk)
In The Incredible Hulk Future Imperfect why didn't Maestro say to Hulk when they met, why he did not know why they sent The Hulk back instead of Thor or some guy known as the Wildman, if he was this impressed with Juggernaut he should have said Cain instead. Thor is also a God this has not stopped Hulk from putting the beatdown on him right?
Anyways like I said earlier an amped up Hulk can beat the Juggernaut, unless Cain is stronger than Onslaught. but this isn't about Juggernaut and the Hulk it's about Hercules and Juggernaut.
but I'll leave you with this, can the Juggernaut do what the Hulk did to both teams of Avengers? And as far as the 1 million ton rock thing... do you remember what the hulk lifted in the Secret Wars? or what The Beyonder said? He said that The Hulk was an Infinity Power... even Cytorrak can't claim this.

One or two things to settle. Juggy has beaten Thor easier than Hulk, Juggy got beaten by the Onslought without a physical body. Juggernaut has two Force Fields. One is about maximum 5 cms long, the one is what he charges up. In some comics he hasn't got the first one. The reason why Juggernaut can win is have you seen fight in full power or coz of he was gettin up to it? Not really he just made his way. Even versus the Hulk he never seemed to use all of his (neither Hulk). But let's just Hulk has too many versions which are makin' me sick, anyway I hate Hulk coz of his ugly colours and that he really is dumb chracter. Someone please close these Juggernaut vs. threads for a while please....It's makin not just me mad.

Well Thor has ko'd Hulk his fair share, go check the Thor respect thread out

Rather these guys should check the Thor comics out 😄

If Thor couldn't put down Juggernaut even with his hammer Herc. sure as hell isn't gonna do it.

Juggernaut takes this.

Goes from being a tossup from an edge to Juggernaut. Hes way more durable.

And Herc matched the mindless Hulk before.

Originally posted by olympian
Goes from being a tossup from an edge to Juggernaut. Hes way more durable.

And Herc matched the mindless Hulk before.

Can somebody post scans of Herc. matching Mindless Hulk? I only remember Herc. along with others getting pimp slapped by Hulk. Then another time mind controled Proffesor Hulk kicked Herc. and sent him for a ride. I may have missed one.

Juggernaut, 10/10.

Not only can Hercules not hurt him physically, Hercules also doesn't have any sort of Mjolnir plot device to fall back on.

No draining the Juggernaut of his mystical energies, here, 😉.

Juggernaut wins.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Can somebody post scans of Herc. matching Mindless Hulk? I only remember Herc. along with others getting pimp slapped by Hulk. Then another time mind controled Proffesor Hulk kicked Herc. and sent him for a ride. I may have missed one.

Mindless:

http://img11.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc224&image=09074_byrne1.jpg
http://img131.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc212&image=09079_byrne2.jpg
http://img105.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc212&image=09085_byrne3.jpg
http://img134.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc210&image=09090_byrne4.jpg
http://img104.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc276&image=09095_byrne5.jpg

some Second round highligths:

[IMG]http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/5938/avengersih322b9ce4pd.jpg
http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersih322c0am8wa.jpg
http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersih322d5oz0jo.jpg
http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersih322e2vk7yg.jpg
http://img70.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersih322f7yf6st.jpg
http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersih322j4xw3ac.jpg
http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=herc23zh.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=herc11fe.jpg
http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersih322m9na6oy.jpg
http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersih322n4cq2nj.jpg
http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=herc30en.jpg

Against mind controlled Savage Hulk:

http://img138.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc156&image=09100_hulkk1.jpg
http://img9.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc143&image=09105_hulkk2.jpg
http://img107.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc147&image=09110_hulkk3.jpg
http://img107.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc161&image=09116_hulkk4.jpg
http://img20.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc120&image=09247_hulkk5.jpg
http://img120.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc229&image=09255_hulkk6.jpg

Prof Hulk:

http://img13.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc9&image=09261_juggs2.jpg
http://img129.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc130&image=09266_juggs3.jpg
http://img15.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc190&image=09272_juggs4.jpg

Random:

http://img127.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc79&image=09256_incldhulk.jpg
http://img142.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc215&image=09257_incldhulk2.jpg

Savage Hulk:

http://img137.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc254&image=09277_ttast1.jpg
http://img20.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc269&image=09282_ttast2.jpg
http://img124.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc271&image=09286_ttast3.jpg
http://img18.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc30&image=09397_ttast4.jpg

Of all these, the worst showing of all, its the second round where he needed help, even tho in the first he appearantly didnt and featured moments like an old japaneze "Hulk Hunter" doing better against Hulk (who falls) than most Avengers. Hercules as seen its trown back but its one of the few who also injures Hulk the same way and leads the charge to his defeat.

Still, yeah its worse than the rest.

And:

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6240/championsgsh1cnt5.jpg
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/894/championsgsh1dzl3.jpg
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/3240/championsgsh1ebw0.jpg
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/2428/championsgsh1frd8.jpg
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/7227/championsgsh1gel0.jpg
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/3560/championsgsh1hxu3.jpg

In conclusion you forgot to mention that not only was he slapped against Mindless but that Hulk also got punched away and that while Prof Hulk kicked him, he was also punched down.

Those are all the figths they had without powerdowns.

Credits to Thorion and Jonathanos, And me.

Juggernaut will take Hercules 10/10. Hercules only edge would be skills but that only will delay his @sswhooping here.

guys, let me settle this once and for all

Hulk >>>>> Onslaught >>>>>>> Juggernaut

Originally posted by masterbruce
guys, let me settle this once and for all

Hulk >>>>> Onslaught >>>>>>> Juggernaut


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