Originally posted by tdtd
Why would you need both of them? Yoda could take down Ulic and Mace most likely would be able to also
What makes you think that? Ulic stalemated Exar when Exar was almost as good, if not better then Vodo-Siosk Baas. Ulic then got better after that. He's extremely capable. Not enough to defeat both Yoda and Mace at the same time, but in single combat he could take either.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
What makes you think that? Ulic stalemated Exar when Exar was almost as good, if not better then Vodo-Siosk Baas. Ulic then got better after that. He's extremely capable. Not enough to defeat both Yoda and Mace at the same time, but in single combat he could take either.
Exar was hit down by Vodo in no time at all once their fight started from that moment till he met Ulic he has not shown to improve with a lightsaber.
We also never see Ulic really improve, the only real fight he has was against Mandalore, and that was a damned impressive fight but one fight does not put him above Mace or Yoda.
Originally posted by tdtd
At the time Ulic stalemated Kun, Kun was certainly not better than Vodo.. Kun did get better at least a little bit when he created his new technique. Nothing suggests Ulic can best Yoda who was unmatched in saber combat and Mace who was only matched by Yoda. Putting them together is overkill.
Kun was never better than Vodo. Vodo lost to overconfidence.
I mean . . . Who the hell brings a Broken stick to a Lightsaber duel to show that they're tough?
Jeez...
Excuse me, but Exar gained huge amounts of power between when he lost to Vodo on Dantooine and when he stalemated Ulic.
1. Exar had already gotten his Sith Amulet by this point and had already demonstrated the most powerful feat we've ever seen him do, the massive blast with the amulet that killed many massassi, did damage to a Temple, and took out Nadd.
2. Exar had already gotten and studied under Nadd's spirits and had taken several scrolls from Nadd's Tomb.
3. Exar had already gotten Sadow's teachings.
4. Exar had already made the sphere that trapped the Massassi and drained their life energies.
Sorgo, Exar pwned Vodo. Seeing as his staff was described as being more powerful then a lightsaber, there is no logical reason to think that Vodo was just being overconfident.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Excuse me, but Exar gained huge amounts of power between when he lost to Vodo on Dantooine and when he stalemated Ulic.1. Exar had already gotten his Sith Amulet by this point and had already demonstrated the most powerful feat we've ever seen him do, the massive blast with the amulet that killed many massassi, did damage to a Temple, and took out Nadd.
2. Exar had already gotten and studied under Nadd's spirits and had taken several scrolls from Nadd's Tomb.
3. Exar had already gotten Sadow's teachings.
4. Exar had already made the sphere that trapped the Massassi and drained their life energies.
Sorgo, Exar pwned Vodo. Seeing as his staff was described as being more powerful then a lightsaber, there is no logical reason to think that Vodo was just being overconfident.
1. Doesn't mean jack shit about his lightsaber abilities and it was a lightsaber fight.
2. See 1
3. See 1
4. See 1, and WTF? where does this come from?
And Exar broke Vodo his stick because he used a double bladed lightsaber that is more powerful then a lightsaber, its how he broke Vodo's stick the first time by using two lightsabers instead of one.
Originally posted by tdtd
Maybe not glentract but when I tell him he's illogical he uses personal attacks. And also I am more inclined to believe that Vodo was unaware of the new saber style and obviously had no defense against it, as opposed to Kun being superior to Vodo in saber combat.
And thats where you would be wrong. IF Exar made a new style and Vodo couldn't defend against that Exar would be better.
If I would be fighting you with a stick and you would have a stick and I would smash from above my head towards yours every single time and you would block it by holding your stick above your head then that would be a stalemate. But if I would then suddenly stop and hit you on the side you would fall on the ground and I would be better because I could adept and you could not.
Also both Vodo and Exar seem to try to convince the other to join their side so the fight wasn't entirely serious until the moment when Exar ignited his double bladed lightsaber and a second later Vodo is dead... I would say he surpassed Vodo by quite a bit.
Eh yea I see your point. But you could say it doesn't make Kun necessarily superior in Saber combat, as much as Vodo not having an idea how to defend a style he's never seen. If we're boxing against each other in the ring and you suddenly start using kickboxing on me, and i've never seen it before, I wouldn't know how to defend myself. It doesn't mean youre a better fighter than me but it does mean you know more.
Originally posted by tdtd
Eh yea I see your point. But you could say it doesn't make Kun necessarily superior in Saber combat, as much as Vodo not having an idea how to defend a style he's never seen. If we're boxing against each other in the ring and you suddenly start using kickboxing on me, and i've never seen it before, I wouldn't know how to defend myself. It doesn't mean youre a better fighter than me but it does mean you know more.
Yes but knowing more makes me a better fighter because we this isn't a fight with rules its a fight. Why do you think that Makashi users are so often great in lightsaber fights because they know how to fight with a lightsaber.
Perhaps in talent an Ataru user can be a lot greater but the Makashi user is more effecient and just greater with a lightsaber so he would still destoy the Ataru user even though he is the least talented of the two.
Yes but knowing more makes me a better fighter because we this isn't a fight with rules its a fight. Why do you think that Makashi users are so often great in lightsaber fights because they know how to fight with a lightsaber.Perhaps in talent an Ataru user can be a lot greater but the Makashi user is more effecient and just greater with a lightsaber so he would still destoy the Ataru user even though he is the least talented of the two.
Lol, and now TdTd gets it after much looping back and forth.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Excuse me, but Exar gained huge amounts of power between when he lost to Vodo on Dantooine and when he stalemated Ulic.1. Exar had already gotten his Sith Amulet by this point and had already demonstrated the most powerful feat we've ever seen him do, the massive blast with the amulet that killed many massassi, did damage to a Temple, and took out Nadd.
2. Exar had already gotten and studied under Nadd's spirits and had taken several scrolls from Nadd's Tomb.
3. Exar had already gotten Sadow's teachings.
4. Exar had already made the sphere that trapped the Massassi and drained their life energies.
Sorgo, Exar pwned Vodo. Seeing as his staff was described as being more powerful then a lightsaber, there is no logical reason to think that Vodo was just being overconfident.
Of course there's reason! The Stick may be powerful, but believe it or not, It was still a Broken Stick and Exar just happened to smash the Broken part. If the stick did not break, Vodo would have blocked Exar's Swing.