Lucifer vs Abraxes

Originally posted by vpokdekjyafmidp
but we do not know, so it is illogical to assume they were starving. Galactus doesnt really keep him in check, hes pretty much the evil side (really evil side) of galactus. who is released when he dies. and like i said, the richards defeated him indirectly, by using the ultimate nullifier on the universe itself.

As we dont know the condition the alternate universe Galactus' were in when Abraxas confronted them one can NOT assume that Abraxas was more powerful than Galactus based on said undocumented confrontations. To do so now THAT would be illogical.

The bio ive posted states that Galactus kept Abraxas in check throughout the multiverse. That is fact. Your point about Abraxas being Galactus' evil side in light of that is mere speculation and as such has no worth here.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
As we dont know the condition the alternate universe Galactus' were in when Abraxas confronted them one can NOT assume that Abraxas was more powerful than Galactus based on said undocumented confrontations. To do so now THAT would be illogical.

The bio ive posted states that Galactus kept Abraxas in check throughout the multiverse. That is fact. Your point about Abraxas being Galactus' evil side in light of that is mere speculation and as such has no worth here.

we also cannot assume that he was less powerful than galactus, and he DID defeat galactus many times over again. that is enough for me to rule that abraxes is more powerful than galactus.

actually, i posted the bio before you. and Galactus himself did not keep abraxas in check. It was his EXISTENCE that kept him at bay. and i know i read somewhere abotu abraxes being galactus's eviler side.

also, it is said that if galactus is killed, the universe is destroyed. now the universe just doesnt blow up. this is abraxas that destroys the universe, and essentially the multiverse, as he is capable. galactus certainly is not capable of destroying the multiverse, let alone the universe.

oh and btw i think it was marcus that said it. but im not sure

Originally posted by vpokdekjyafmidp
we also cannot assume that he was less powerful than galactus, and he DID defeat galactus many times over again. that is enough for me to rule that abraxes is more powerful than galactus.

Id watch your wording. You cannot rule anything in your capacity as a comic reader. You mean it is enough for you to have the opinion that he was more powerful. Thats your prerogative however please understand that your OPINION on the matter isnt fact, the point isnt stated or depicted on panel anywhere so do not attempt to treat it as such in debate. How Abraxas defeated these alternate universe Galactus' is unknown. They couldve been weak. A weakened Galactus has been defeated many a time by indivduals insignificant in the cosmic scheme of things. With no depiction or statement it is not canon that Galactus is less powerful than Galactus. If you wish to have that opinion then thats down to you. It cant be supported conclusively.

Originally posted by vpokdekjyafmidp
actually, i posted the bio before you. and Galactus himself did not keep abraxas in check. It was his EXISTENCE that kept him at bay. and i know i read somewhere abotu abraxes being galactus's eviler side.

Given that the point isnt stated in official sources or you at least havent shown it to be the point is irrelevant.

There is insufficient proof to place Abraxas above Galactus let alone the likes of Eternity and god forbid a comparison with Lucifer. He wasnt presented as an omnipotent, just a powerful cosmic.

On top of that Galactus has better stats anyway:

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=3/7907132458.jpg&s=x11

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Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Id watch your wording. You cannot rule anything in your capacity as a comic reader. You mean it is enough for you to have the opinion that he was more powerful. Thats your prerogative however please understand that your OPINION on the matter isnt fact, the point isnt stated or depicted on panel anywhere so do not attempt to treat it as such in debate. How Abraxas defeated these alternate universe Galactus' is unknown. They couldve been weak. A weakened Galactus has been defeated many a time by indivduals insignificant in the cosmic scheme of things. With no depiction or statement it is not canon that Galactus is less powerful than Galactus. If you wish to have that opinion then thats down to you. It cant be supported conclusively.

Given that the point isnt stated in official sources or you at least havent shown it to be the point is irrelevant.

There is insufficient proof to place Abraxas above Galactus let alone the likes of Eternity and god forbid a comparison with Lucifer. He wasnt presented as an omnipotent, just a powerful cosmic.

On top of that Galactus has better stats anyway:

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=3/7907132458.jpg&s=x11

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Originally posted by vpokdekjyafmidp
also, it is said that if galactus is killed, the universe is destroyed. now the universe just doesnt blow up. this is abraxas that destroys the universe,

But Galactus was killed and was the universe destroyed? ❌

After that saga we know that if Big G is taken out then Abraxas is released and that he will attempt to destroy the universe. However as we also saw his success in doing so is far from certain. There was also no description of how exactly he would do so. For all we know it could have been through some artifact such as the ultimate nulllifier (something he sought and captured in the saga anyway) not via his own might.

There are just too many unspecified factors for you to go around making assumptions about his relative power level. He isnt conclusively beyond Galactus (The way the revived Big G faced him down and snatched away the Nullifier certainly didnt portray Abraxas as a more powerful being)

Originally posted by vpokdekjyafmidp
and essentially the multiverse, as he is capable.

Speculation. Its worthless here without on panel backing.

Originally posted by vpokdekjyafmidp
oh and btw i think it was marcus that said it. but im not sure

Marcus is a cool guy, but his word doesnt equate to an official marvel source.

Originally posted by kgkg
😱

Youre back!!! 😱

Just in time. 😖hifty:

I could do with a new sig 😛

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Youre back!!! 😱

Just in time. 😖hifty:

I could do with a new sig 😛

i haven't seen a comic in a month now 🙁

Originally posted by kgkg
update me on the pho will ya.

i haven't seen a comic in a month now 🙁

KGKG
where the hell have you been man.

Good to see you back, finally somebody with reason.

Originally posted by kgkg
update me on the pho will ya.

i haven't seen a comic in a month now 🙁

Not alots changed since you were last on cos Endsong was the last 616 Phoenix appearance for a long time. In the Ultimate universe however the Phoenix sagas about to start and the Phoenix has been linked to the Big Bang and evolution there as well. Same story in X-men the End where they say its the origin point and the death of reality. So same old story basically.

Depends on which Universe it's in. In the DCU Lucifer wins. In the MU, Abraxas wins.

Originally posted by GODSCRIBE
Depends on which Universe it's in. In the DCU Lucifer wins. In the MU, Abraxas wins.

Its always the assumption that theyre on neutral ground where their powers are at their full level. Lucifer would win 10/10. The guys on the very top tier of cosmic beings. Abraxas was Galactus level. No contest really.

It wouldn't make much sense in a neutral ground , but i guess for dumb scenarios like this, we can make exceptions.

lucifer owns abraxas nothing abraxas can do to him