Classic Juggernaut vs Superman

I wouldn't say I was being stupid exactly. Reckless maybe . . . but a better way to get to know what a person is like is when they are not hiding behind a veil of manners, when they are not trying to impress you. Or necesserily even be nice to you.

In open battle a man can be better known for his tactics.
Juggernaut 666666 is straight foreward, honest, he truly beilives wha he says, and if he says something that is incorrect he does not intend to.

Rewmac is clever, and rolls with the punches quite well it seems. There's more there to be seen still.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Can you explain to me how someone who can acheive escape velocity within a double black hole, fighting the pull of such a phenomenon, is strong enough to move a moon, or cut right through it as if it wasn't there. Is going to be slowed by Earth's atmoshpere?

What is the basis for him not being able to preform feats that he has shown to be able to do higher end versions?

What magical substance is in Earth's atmosphere that keeps him from moving faster?

"instant" is too vauge. using that mesurement it takes less than an instant for Cain to find himself in space.

And by the time he thought that he'd already be in space.

Comic flash tell me running at speeds greater than the speed of sound how can two people speak to one another? Oh that's right, it's a comic book. Using comic book mechanics is a poor argument.

Only going in toward him. His sheild would not aide him in striking Superman.

Good thing the fight's going to be over before it can come up then.

False. Creating "footholds" in matter is diffferent to creating footholds in nothingness. Being able to push off against the air molecules doesn't help when there are no air molecules.

Seeing as it has to do more with Bullshit you're pulling out of your ass than anything else. There are many magical abilities in the MU, Classic Cain does not have access to all of them. Teleportation for example. or projecting magical fireballs. "Hey! It's magic so Cain should be able to shoot fireballs out of his ass"

But he doesn't. and has never shown the ability to shoot fireballs from his ass. Why then should we assume he can do something else that would be outside of the feats he's shown to do?

Oh right, because he's your favorite character.

How can you say I can't use comic book ideas for this since that would defeat the purpose of using any feats then because then half of the feats you can just dismiss through bad comic book mechanics like Superman being able to escape a black hole period if light itself can not break free.

well mostly I was asking you for scans of Superman flying through Earth just to give you a little taste of your own medicine since he has never shown the ability to use though speeds in Earth's atmosphere.

Still though all of Superman's foes get at least one word in and if that be the case then Jugg's shield is up before he can open his mouth. Thats what I mean by instant as soon as he thinks it it happens kinda like Invisble Women's shields.

Oh by the way once he gets his shield up all that means is Supes can't do anything to him none of his attacks will work at all.

Oh your idea that he has to rely on air molecules alone is foolish since air molecules are not dense enough to hold someone his weight meaning he has to have someway to make the footing. Which by the way is a moot point I thought it was a little fishy and not the way I remembered so I double checked myself. You see Jean Grey was mentally lifting him in the air meaning was probably using the telekensis as his footholds. 😛
So it is a moot point. Another thing I may be a fan but that doesn't mean any info I have given you is wrong.

Originally posted by TheKahn
This may not be his top speed but it's pretty impressive:

I've just got around to doing the calculations on this. Now let usa assume that the distance from New York City to Paris, France is roughly equal to the distance of Metropolis and the particular area of France that Superman got the Champagne (as for wine to be called Champagne it has to be grown in a piratical region of France and Lois mentions that it isn't imported into the US leaving some European country the logical option)

Now the distance between New York and Paris is roughly 3,632 miles. Superman did twice that distance (there and back) in what would seem to be a moment. But lets say it took him 5 seconds just for the sake of argument. So that is 7264 miles in 5 seconds or a total speed of 5,230,080 miles per hour.

Now I admit that some assumptions have to be made, but the fact is that if Superman managed to fly to any European country in that sort a distance in the atmosphere, then he is easy capable of hitting Juggy before he can put his shield up, imo.

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Originally posted by TheKahn
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Originally posted by newjak86
Good calculations but then did you estimate the ability in the average human being in terms of reaction time. You also have to factor in that Cain was an ex memeber of the army and in order to be in the war he must also have made it through the training which also means that his reaction would be faster than a normal humans. Also you have to factor then the idea of how long it would take Cain to realize he was moving at all. Since youe equilembrum genrealy is immedaite then you must factor as soon as he is moved his reacton time will kick in. So say an average human is three seconds his would probably be down to a second or two which would defently and his shield would basically go up then.

Thanks 😄

The whole speed of though that I and others calculated comes from the forum rules. It's not really the speed at which a person can process information and implement action, instead it is the speed at which impulses travel along nerves (roughly 67 mph). While training would certainly increase his reaction times, I don't really think it would do anything to increase the speed of his nerve impulses. So my argument was that Superman could actually attack Juggy before the information from his eyes or ears telling him that the fight had started even reached his brain.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Thanks 😄

The whole speed of though that I and others calculated comes from the forum rules. It's not really the speed at which a person can process information and implement action, instead it is the speed at which impulses travel along nerves (roughly 67 mph). While training would certainly increase his reaction times, I don't really think it would do anything to increase the speed of his nerve impulses. So my argument was that Superman could actually attack Juggy before the information from his eyes or ears telling him that the fight had started even reached his brain.

Juggernaut has took a full shot from Thor with his hammer even Thor said I rarely hit someone with full power but he better not hold back with Juggernaut

Originally posted by newjak86
Most certainly he would hit Juggs first but then it comes down to if Juggernaut can turn his shield on if he can then Supes has nothing against him.

Not if that first hit sends Juggy into space... 😖hifty:

With BFR Superman wins, without BFR it's a draw.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Not if that first hit sends Juggy into space... 😖hifty:

With BFR Superman wins, without BFR it's a draw.

Cannonball burned himself out flying into Juggernaut.
Spider-Man #16- Miraculously nobody is killed or even injured by the top floors of the World Trade Center being blown away, but Black Tom is missing. Suddenly Warpath is joined by other lame characters Shatterstar, and Feral. For no obvious reason Spider-Man no longer cares about the hostages and decides to mix it up with Juggernaut despite the fact that there are already three others doing that. Cannonball arrives and bounces right off Juggernaut’s chest without moving him. Juggernaut engages in the boring brawl. Boom Boom also arrives. Shatterstar somehow manages to cut through Juggernaut’s force field and slashes Juggernaut’s eyes. Juggernaut says that he has magic in his veins and that he heals fast. Juggernaut says that was a stupid move because he was only trying to leave, but now he is going to kill them all. Juggernaut rams into the World Trade Center. The entire thing falls down on Spider-Man and X-Force. Again miraculously nobody is even scratched for no apparent or logical reason. Spider-Man says that he will lead them to victory.

Originally posted by Creshosk
I wouldn't say I was being stupid exactly. Reckless maybe . . . but a better way to get to know what a person is like is when they are not hiding behind a veil of manners, when they are not trying to impress you. Or necesserily even be nice to you.

In open battle a man can be better known for his tactics.
Juggernaut 666666 is straight foreward, honest, he truly beilives wha he says, and if he says something that is incorrect he does not intend to.

Rewmac is clever, and rolls with the punches quite well it seems. There's more there to be seen still.

I my favourite sentence is : "You can't fight, what you can't see"

"But my other favourite, can't fight who is a human Juggernaut" He got his own feats, Superman can fly around in super-speed, still won't work on Juggs, juggernaut concentrates, charges his second shield, and if he catches Supe when he flew right to him, Supes done for.

But let's think another way, if Supes uses a good tactic, he can fly in (in superspeed) hit and fallback, than repeat it. Than do couple speed-punches.

Still cannot K.O. Classic Juggs. In physical combat he cannot be hurt,wounded,killed or possible be beaten the crap out of him (only with magic). But since it's a fight, let's just leave it out.

This fight could be interesting through a 3-4 eps "no fan voted" mini!!!!

And you can't beat what you can't hurt and thats the life story of the Juggernaut

I was about to say something like that too 😆

Mid-fight, Superman evacuates the entite city block across town, and throws the whole thing away then. You see, it really doesn't, Superman WILL win the fight, pretty much every time.

There's lots of ways Supes can gather a win, Juggs has one: hope that Superman stands there and lets him punch him over and over until he's passed out.

And how exactly you gonna beat someone who can resist that much amount of Physical power?

i cant believe people think that jugg can beat supes its a joke 😕 hysterical

Originally posted by Rewmac
And how exactly you gonna beat someone who can resist that much amount of Physical power?

He can wave his hands around a pole until all the electrons move one way, and he creates the most powerful magnet ever seen, and sucks him into it, and the javelins it to the sun.

He builds another Phantom Zone item, and sends him there. All before Juggs can even do any real damage.

If he ever got Juggs' helmet off, like others have, he can simply make a sonic attack with his mouth, as he can produce a vast array of volumes and frequencies, all the way to White Sound. Sonic attacks have also proven to be one of Juggs' weaknesses.

Of course I'm just giving random off the wall stuff. But that's the point. He has millions of options, he can come with something, anything. Juggs' random shot in the dark requires Superman to stand still and do nothing at all for an entire fight, until he's unconscious. And Supes' durability is severely high end.

Originally posted by Juntai
Like I said, he can battlefield remove the whole city block.. or the whole city... or the continent. It really doesn't matter.

He can wave his hands around a pole until all the electrons move one way, and he creates the most powerful magnet ever seen, and sucks him into it, and the javelins it to the sun.

He builds another Phantom Zone item, and sends him there. All before Juggs can even do any real damage.

If he ever got Juggs' helmet off, like others have, he can simply make a sonic attack with his mouth, as he can produce a vast array of volumes and frequencies, all the way to White Sound. Sonic attacks have also proven to be one of Juggs' weaknesses.

Of course I'm just giving random off the wall stuff. But that's the point. He has millions of options, he can come with something, anything. Juggs' random shot in the dark requires Superman to stand still and do nothing at all for an entire fight, until he's unconscious. And Supes' durability is severely high end.

Don't forget about Torquasm Vo. 😉

wonder woman got juggs helmet of and she managed to beat him and that wasnt fan voted